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 Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
 Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
That all ties in to efficiency, not results.
Per these metrics, Zach Lavine is more efficient than Lillard. Both of which whom are far more efficient than Kobe ever was. Vince Carter was more efficient than Kobe a lot of years too.
Again, for someone who talks about Gobert and his screens as to why he's on Jokic or Embiid's level, you're wildly rigid with the numbers.
Dantley led the Jazz to division titles and started their long playoff run. He had the results as well.
Dantley has him in many other categories. He turned it over less. Less FG attempts for similar numbers, 2 scoring titles to none, missed less FG's, Wilkens had much higher usage....
offensive win shares
offensive box +/-
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Xiao Yao You
Dantley led the Jazz to division titles and started their long playoff run. He had the results as well.
Dantley has him in many other categories. He turned it over less. Less FG attempts for similar numbers, 2 scoring titles to none, missed less FG's, Wilkens had much higher usage....
offensive win shares
offensive box +/-
Shit...he’s a Jazz player. And you’re..this. I didn’t make that connection, what have I gotten myself in to 
Anyway, there was a 5 year stretch right in the middle of his prime where they failed to make the playoffs. 8 of 11 teams in each conference made the playoffs at that time.
He was a very good scorer on a bad franchise. I mean he played in 21 playoff games in his 7 years in Utah.
You say there’s nothing to prove that Dominque was anything more than a high volume low efficiency scorer. Well then there’s nothing to prove that Dantley was anything more than a “I’m just gonna go get mine” offensive guy with no concept of the team or anything else.
What happened with him in Detroit certainly doesn’t help the case against that.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
Shit...he’s a Jazz player. And you’re..this. I didn’t make that connection, what have I gotten myself in to
Anyway, there was a 5 year stretch right in the middle of his prime where they failed to make the playoffs. 8 of 11 teams in each conference made the playoffs at that time.
He was a very good scorer on a bad franchise. I mean he played in 21 playoff games in his 7 years in Utah.
You say there’s nothing to prove that Dominque was anything more than a high volume low efficiency scorer. Well then there’s nothing to prove that Dantley was anything more than a “I’m just gonna go get mine” offensive guy with no concept of the team or anything else.
What happened with him in Detroit certainly doesn’t help the case against that.
Yeah he joined the worst franchise in the league and they sucked. Got better every year until the won the division title with the best record in the west during at the all star break. Only time before this year that happened. Started one of the longest playoff streaks in league history. Left the franchise to Stockton/Malone in good hands. There were 23 teams when the Mavs joined. Wasn't until the year the Jazz first made the playoffs that 16 teams made the playoffs. Only 6 in each conference before that. He averaged 3 assists a game to Wilkens 2.5. What else ya got? Dunk championships? 
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Xiao Yao You
Yeah he joined the worst franchise in the league and they sucked. Got better every year until the won the division title with the best record in the west during at the all star break. Only time before this year that happened. Started one of the longest playoff streaks in league history. Left the franchise to Stockton/Malone in good hands. There were 23 teams when the Mavs joined. Wasn't until the year the Jazz first made the playoffs that 16 teams made the playoffs. Only 6 in each conference before that. He averaged 3 assists a game to Wilkens 2.5. What else ya got? Dunk championships?
Well the dunk contests were certainly fun, but he wasn't Gerald Green who was good at dunking creatively in the contest and didn't translate it as much to his game. Most people would probably put Dominique as a top 3 in-game dunker the game has seen. At least for a non-big man.
Not only does that put pressure on opposing teams to keep an eye out at all times, particularly on the glass, but the energy alone can lift a team and a crowd.
The bold is just an utterly ridiculous statement. If anything, Malone/Stockton didn't truly start to flourish until Dantley left. Same as the Bad Boys.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
Well the dunk contests were certainly fun, but he wasn't Gerald Green who was good at dunking creatively in the contest and didn't translate it as much to his game. Most people would probably put Dominique as a top 3 in-game dunker the game has seen. At least for a non-big man.
Not only does that put pressure on opposing teams to keep an eye out at all times, particularly on the glass, but the energy alone can lift a team and a crowd.
The bold is just an utterly ridiculous statement. If anything, Malone/Stockton didn't truly start to flourish until Dantley left. Same as the Bad Boys.
Stockton was great from day 1. They weren't smart enough to realize it of course. Dantley and Malone were close. Karl learned a lot from him in their year together. Not sure what was so ridiculous about it. He started the playoff streak that would continue for the next two decades with them. The Bad Boys were the best team in the league with Dantley. They replaced him with Isiah's buddy not because they were struggling. They started to flourish when they got AD. They had no inside game. That's why they got him in the first place
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Xiao Yao You
Dantley, English, King off hand. Check the numbers. Wilkins high usage, low efficiency, bad D.
Your takes are incredible. Dantley, English, and King all over Dominique Wilkins. All of these guys were a bit like Harden and Westbrook in that they get you a lot of empty calorie stats.
Dantley is empty calories and boring. Wilkins is empty calories and exciting. Figures a Utah guy would pick the boring option. Even Lebron and Durant didn't want to pick the Utah guys until the very end in the All Star Draft.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Thenameless
Your takes are incredible. Dantley, English, and King all over Dominique Wilkins. All of these guys were a bit like Harden and Westbrook in that they get you a lot of empty calorie stats.
Dantley is empty calories and boring. Wilkins is empty calories and exciting. Figures a Utah guy would pick the boring option. Even Lebron and Durant didn't want to pick the Utah guys until the very end in the All Star Draft.
Dantley, English, King, Dominique - goat 2-point shot-makers - only mount rushmore guys like mj and Bird and Elgin are ahead of them as 2-point shot-makers
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Thenameless
Your takes are incredible. Dantley, English, and King all over Dominique Wilkins. All of these guys were a bit like Harden and Westbrook in that they get you a lot of empty calorie stats.
Dantley is empty calories and boring. Wilkins is empty calories and exciting. Figures a Utah guy would pick the boring option. Even Lebron and Durant didn't want to pick the Utah guys until the very end in the All Star Draft.
Not sure what was boring about the best inch for inch low post scorer ever.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by Xiao Yao You
Stockton was great from day 1. They weren't smart enough to realize it of course. Dantley and Malone were close. Karl learned a lot from him in their year together. Not sure what was so ridiculous about it. He started the playoff streak that would continue for the next two decades with them. The Bad Boys were the best team in the league with Dantley. They replaced him with Isiah's buddy not because they were struggling. They started to flourish when they got AD. They had no inside game. That's why they got him in the first place
Jesus. I bet you were arguing that Dantley was like on Bird’s level back then.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
Jesus. I bet you were arguing that Dantley was like on Bird’s level back then.
why? Bird was an all time great. Dantley was a high scoring sf like Wilkens just a lot better
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Wilkins was equal to Jordan when you talk about PURE scoring.
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Re: Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dum
Originally Posted by TAZORAC
Wilkins was equal to Jordan when you talk about PURE scoring.
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