because he doesn't create assists for teammates by being an assist target (off-ball)
Otoh, guys like MJ, Bird, and company created more assists by distributing and creating assists for teammates (being an assist target, aka off-ball).
So they had higher TEAM assists and a better ball movement brand that yielded better team ceilings/Finals record.
Carry on
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03-14-2021, 01:22 PM #1NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
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03-14-2021, 01:23 PM #2Professor Objectivity
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Garbage and Wrong.
Jordan is a Kyrie Irving level passer. Not highly skilled at it and mediocre.
Meanwhile LeBron is Magic Johnson level passer.
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03-14-2021, 03:49 PM #3NBA sixth man of the year
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Agreed with OP. Lebron is that guy in pickup games who holds the ball all damn day and by the end of it you say "damn i'm never coming to these courts to play with this guy again". He's lucky to have alltime great offensive co stars on his teams like Anthony Davis (#1 in playoff career TS all time) or Irving (best player on #1 offense all time this season) to bail out his garbage lebron ball. Nobody fears Lebron when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. Even when Lebron does have the ball in his hands, a smart defender would guard him loosely and make him shoot). The rest of his offense is just driving in and lowering his shoulder, mostly getting away with offensive fouls.
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03-14-2021, 03:50 PM #4NBA sixth man of the year
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
https://www.basketball-reference.com..._career_p.html
Even if you include ABA, Anthony Davis is still #1 in playoff career TS.
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03-14-2021, 04:03 PM #5NBA Legend
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Can you post the assist creation numbers?
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03-14-2021, 07:45 PM #6Decent college freshman
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird = not point guards
Originally Posted by 3ball
Those guys are supposed to be targets. That was their role in their less successful systems.
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03-15-2021, 02:12 AM #7NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Originally Posted by light
They were distributors with only 1 less apg than lebron, and also created assists for teammates by being assist targets off-ball (100% higher assisted rate than lebron).
So they created more total assists, which made their TEAMS have higher assists, brand of ball, and ultimately, team ceiling/Finals record
Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists
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03-15-2021, 02:23 AM #8Decent playground baller
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Can you post the assist creation numbers?
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03-15-2021, 02:27 AM #9NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Originally Posted by KingMambaFan
apg + (assisted percentage x FG's made) = total assists created
Legend
apg = assists distributed
(assisted percentage x FG's made) = percentage of field goals that were assisted by teammates, aka assists created for teammates by being assist target (off-ball)Last edited by 3ball; 03-15-2021 at 02:32 AM.
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03-15-2021, 02:38 AM #10NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
He's a product of AAU ball. Where one guy is QB. Problem is he cant shoot and makes others accommodate him. He's a team hopping Cam Newton.
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03-15-2021, 02:40 AM #11SexLand
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
What about his off ball passing?
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03-15-2021, 02:41 AM #12Landslide honors
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
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03-15-2021, 02:45 AM #13Yellow King
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
formula shows Lebron leads onball assisted birdfed creation %
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03-15-2021, 03:25 AM #14NBA rookie of the year
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
Defensive attention Jordan draws opens up the passing game
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03-15-2021, 03:33 AM #15NBA Superstar
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Re: Lebron has low assist creation compared to MJ, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Bird, etc
So lebron got birdfed less than other greats & kawhi. Got it.
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