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The Deciders
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Everyone knows Jordan runs away when the expectations get too high....quitting after his jr year,93,98,baseball,ect.
he would never play in a season coming off a 3peat....ever.....never ever.....he's not mentally strong enough.
He's a loser...and anyone who stans him is a loser too #notmyg.o.a.t
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by 3ball
Considering that Jordan won a game in 88' without Worthy, it's pretty dumb to say "they wouldn't get swept" with Worthy"
That alone proves that your assessment is off
Giving Jordan another top 10 player in Worthy would absolutely beat the 88' Pistons and quite easily.
Regarding the 87' Celtics....... ditto...... giving Jordan a top 10 player would be similar to the help he had had with pippen, where he went 6/6 and didn't lose more than 2 consecutive games for 10 years
Carry on
I said they wouldn't get swept with the 87 Celtics. Not the 88 Pistons.
I think they could go all the way in maybe 89 or 90. Worthy would have to do more work than he did with the Lakers tho. And it depends on who is on the team.
And I don't know if they'll be able to beat the Pistons in 88. That team was trash outside of MJ in the playoffs against the Pistons. None of them could buy a shot in that series. Worthy would fix that, but I dunno it'll be enough.
Last edited by Micku; 02-26-2021 at 07:17 PM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by 3ball
Holy crap... y'all are high
Isiah beat those Celtics before Dumars was even an all-star, but MJ can't beat them with prime Worthy?
What strain are you smoking bro and where can I get some
And MJ already won a game in 88' against the Pistons.. yet you're saying they "wouldn't get swept" with Worthy?... Again... dumb
Finally, Jordan nearly beat the Pistons in 89' and 90' with nothing from Pippen, yet he doesn't win with someone that completely dominated the Pistons?.. Again, that's just dumb
I'm talking about the 86 & 87 Celtics which even the bad boys couldn't beat.
I actually agree with you when you said that MJ and Worthy would likely have 4-peated from 88-91
But they're not beating the 67 win 86 Celtics
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NBA Legend
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
MJ couldn’t even win with prime Larry Houghes
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Who's coaching them? Doug collins? Lmfao
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NBA Legend
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by 3ball
Yes but Jordan didn't have any help from 85-90'
Once he got less help than Shaq, Bird, or Magic had, he won much more than all of them
Pippen was nothing from 88-90' - that's the point.. meanwhile, guys like Worthy or Dominique were completely dominant, and would've won chips with Jordan
Heck, Dominique nearly beat the Celtics with no help, so Jordan kills them with a top 10 guy like Worthy
Give Bron Wade A.K.A his "Pippen" from 05-on and they would have been a dynasty too.
Its not that intriguing or worth talking about. More like a no-brainer.
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NBA Legend
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Worthy would see his FGA cut in half and a 50% increase in setting screens.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
Give Bron Wade or his "Pippen" from 05-on and they would have been a dynasty too.
Its not that intriguing or worth talking about. More like a no-brainer.
Yep, not a surprise that the guys who had stacked teams from the beginning (Russell, Magic, Bird) all won multiple titles right away
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
Give Bron Wade A.K.A his "Pippen" from 05-on and they would have been a dynasty too.
Its not that intriguing or worth talking about. More like a no-brainer.
Lebron can't beat good teams by dominating the scoring load (scoring way more than sidekick) and never has, so he couldn't win with a player like Pippen
Lebron needs elite 1st options to play sidekick, so he can't win with pippen, whose peak scoring was only 22 ppg - that's an average peak scoring ability; nowhere near elite or what lebron needs..
lebron won with guys that averaged 22, but never with someone whose peak ability was 22
But carry on ignoring facts and believing your own version of reality.. just know that it's YOUR VERSION of reality.. the actual reality is much different (described above)
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Yep, not a surprise that the guys who had stacked teams from the beginning (Russell, Magic, Bird) all won multiple titles right away
Naaw, it was more like they were the right fit at the right time. It wasn't like how KD joined a 73 win team. They weren't no championship contenders. But they all had nice talent.
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NBA Legend
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Pippen All NBA on both ends of the court for 5 of the 6 titles (without needing to load manage)
That's what you call elite.
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NBA Legend
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by 3ball
Lebron can't beat good teams by dominating the scoring load (scoring way more than sidekick) and never has, so he couldn't win with a player like Pippen
Lebron needs elite 1st options to play sidekick, so he can't win with pippen, whose peak scoring was only 22 ppg - that's an average peak scoring ability; nowhere near elite or what lebron needs..
lebron won with guys that averaged 22, but never with someone whose peak ability was 22
But carry on ignoring facts and believing your own version of reality.. just know that it's YOUR VERSION of reality.. the actual reality is much different (described above)
MJ couldn’t win without an equal defensive sidekick
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by Micku
Naaw, it was more like they were the right fit at the right time. It wasn't like how KD joined a 73 win team. They weren't no championship contenders. But they all had nice talent.
Lol, definitely wouldn't equate it with KD, but it's not a coincidence those guys all had 3+ titles in their first 7 years while the vast majority of the top 10 were at 0 or 1
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
But yeah. I don't see the Bulls winning in 87. I doubt they'll beat the Celts. And the Lakers awaiting for them in the finals with Magic having his MVP year? Naw.
88, I don' think so. But Worthy definitely take the load off of MJ, and he needed that in that series. None of his teammates could make a shot. Outside of 87, this will be his hardest shot. It really depends on how Worthy could punish them if the Pistons would triple team MJ again.
89, his team outside of MJ is still lacking, but his playoff run was amazing. The Pistons did the same thing as they did in 88, so it depends on how Worthy could punish them.
90, I believe they are going to the finals. I think they'll win.
91, win.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Anyone that doesn't think Worthy would've 4-peated with MJ from 87-91'...
Originally Posted by Micku
I said they wouldn't get swept with the 87 Celtics
So Jordan almost beat the 86' Celtics in Game 2, but the 87' Celtics would sweep jordan AND worthy?
Huh?
Again, your radar/guage of this scenario is off and you're essentially underrating worthy AND jordan
Originally Posted by Micku
I think they could go all the way in maybe 89 or 90.
The Bulls had the #19 defense in 1990, and #11 in 1989.
Yet they nearly beat the Pistons with nothing from Pippen both years
So how do they not easily win with someone in place of Pippen that completely DOMINATES the pistons like Worthy did?
Again, your radar is off and you're disrespecting MJ and Worthy
Originally Posted by Micku
Worthy would have to do more work than he did with the Lakers tho.
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Worthy was #1 option on back-to-back champs over Kareem and Magic (more than pippen ever did):
PLAYOFFS
* 87' Worthy...... 24 on 59%
* 88' Worthy...... 21 on 53% (FMVP)
* 89' Worthy...... 25 on 57%
* 90' Worthy...... 24 on 53%
* 91' Worthy...... 20 on 49%
* Lakers' scoring leader
Otoh, Pippen averaged 10 on 40% against the 89' Pistons and 16 on 42% against the 90' Pistons
So what are you talking about by saying Worthy would need to do more? He was already #1 option over Magic/Kareem, so that's already more than pippen ever did!!
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