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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by k0kakw0rld View Post
    Kareem has 6 rings and won 2 FMVPs. Why is he top 3?
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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    By his own admission, Kobe was Shaq’s sidekick.

    ‘Sidekick’ was the word Kobe used to describe his role on the Lakers in 2004.

    There is very little disagreement about that.

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
    2001 was domination with shaq as 1a and Kobe as 1b
    2000 was a carry job from shaq
    2002 was a semi carry job as well from shaq

    Thats how the win shares + PPG gap views their 3peat in the 2000/2002 seasons.

    Kobe in 2000 was still 2014 Kawhi level player and Shaq had to bring him up to speed. Kawhi would of won a 3peat with Duncan but he got grandpa Duncan. While Kobe got peak Shaq. 2000 Shaq was second in the PPG/win share gap to co star list from 2000-present.
    2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge View Post
    2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
    Stop it.

    2000 was an enormous carry job by Shaq of absolutely epic proportions.


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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

    Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

    Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
    Duncan in 03 did this, averaged 11 more than Parker. And that’s whilst also being the teams clear cut best defensive player, something Kobe in 09/10 was not.

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

    Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

    Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
    lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.





    THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.





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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.





    THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.




    Oh look everyone!!! PER importance is back again!!! Lololol

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron23 View Post
    Lebron won the finals mvp in 2020. I ranked Duncan at 9 while Kobe at 12. Espn ranked them at 8th and 9th
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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

    Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

    Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
    So now all of a sudden it's a huge accomplishment to win against the Dwight's 2009 Magic?? Haven't you referred to him as a loser numerous of times?

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge View Post
    2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
    In games 5 and 6, Kobe combined to GO 12-47. A small ankle injury isn't going to cause that cause we've seen him shoot like that when healthy.

    Game 4, Shaq fouled out with like 2:30 left in OT. He had already done major damage by the time that happen putting up 36pts and 21 boards.

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.





    THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.





    Pau is frequently argued as FMVP over Kobe and that's why Pau > Pippen

    Pau's huge post presence was often the focus of the entire game - he was an anchor similar to Kareem or Ewing or Drob

    Otoh, Pippen was never considered an offensive force that required attention or exploited mismatches like Pau - Pippen had a Draymond role (entirely inferior to Pau's "kareem" role)

    Pau was also a great interior defender and rim protector that altered games and shut guys down.. pippen never protected the rim or shut anyone down

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    Default Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

    Yea because PER is the most important stat...

    By the way Lebron is 20th in PER this season.

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