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Not airballing my layups anymore
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by k0kakw0rld
Kareem has 6 rings and won 2 FMVPs. Why is he top 3?
Donimated Highschool, College, and the NBA. He argubally has the greatest basketball career of all time.
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Decent college freshman
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
By his own admission, Kobe was Shaq’s sidekick.
‘Sidekick’ was the word Kobe used to describe his role on the Lakers in 2004.
There is very little disagreement about that.
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Decent college freshman
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2
2001 was domination with shaq as 1a and Kobe as 1b
2000 was a carry job from shaq
2002 was a semi carry job as well from shaq
Thats how the win shares + PPG gap views their 3peat in the 2000/2002 seasons.
Kobe in 2000 was still 2014 Kawhi level player and Shaq had to bring him up to speed. Kawhi would of won a 3peat with Duncan but he got grandpa Duncan. While Kobe got peak Shaq. 2000 Shaq was second in the PPG/win share gap to co star list from 2000-present.
2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
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Decent college freshman
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
Stop it.
2000 was an enormous carry job by Shaq of absolutely epic proportions.
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Mullin >>> Bird
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by 3ball
Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)
Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'
Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
Duncan in 03 did this, averaged 11 more than Parker. And that’s whilst also being the teams clear cut best defensive player, something Kobe in 09/10 was not.
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Decent college freshman
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
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Decent college freshman
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by light
Oh look everyone!!! PER importance is back again!!! Lololol
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Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by Lebron23
Lebron won the finals mvp in 2020. I ranked Duncan at 9 while Kobe at 12. Espn ranked them at 8th and 9th
You ok? You making filipinos look bad bro? Go make me some flip flops
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NBA Legend
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by 3ball
Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)
Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'
Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
So now all of a sudden it's a huge accomplishment to win against the Dwight's 2009 Magic?? Haven't you referred to him as a loser numerous of times?
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NBA Legend
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
In games 5 and 6, Kobe combined to GO 12-47. A small ankle injury isn't going to cause that cause we've seen him shoot like that when healthy.
Game 4, Shaq fouled out with like 2:30 left in OT. He had already done major damage by the time that happen putting up 36pts and 21 boards.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Originally Posted by light
Pau is frequently argued as FMVP over Kobe and that's why Pau > Pippen
Pau's huge post presence was often the focus of the entire game - he was an anchor similar to Kareem or Ewing or Drob
Otoh, Pippen was never considered an offensive force that required attention or exploited mismatches like Pau - Pippen had a Draymond role (entirely inferior to Pau's "kareem" role)
Pau was also a great interior defender and rim protector that altered games and shut guys down.. pippen never protected the rim or shut anyone down
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings
Yea because PER is the most important stat...
By the way Lebron is 20th in PER this season.
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