Embiid or Gobert?

[RRR3]

Harrell is a role player. Gobert is the franchise player. You're reaching

How is Gobert the franchise player if he’s not even the best player on the team? By your own admission, Mike Conley is better

Why are you ignoring all the impact stats that show Embiid is far better? A team with Ben Simmons and Rudy starting together would be in the lottery.

[Kings2024Champs]

French tyson Chandler is not better

[RRR3]

probably every defensive stat which is about half the game

Embiid is a superstar on offense, Rudy is a role player on offense. For your point to make sense Embiid would have to be pretty meh on defense but all the advanced stats show he’s doing quite well on that end. In fact his defensive RAPTOR is +5.6, not far behind Rudy’s +6.3. Meanwhile offensive RAPTOR? Embiid has a +5.1, whereas Rudy is at -0.8, confirming the obvious: Embiid is a stud on offense and Rudy has minimal or even negative impact offensively because he kills spacing.

[RRR3]

French tyson Chandler is not better

I prefer Baguette Biyombo, as Shaq calls him

[Xiao Yao You]

screen assists 2nd Does Embiid set screens?
dunks 1st Rudy Embiid?
defensive box +/- 11th to 16 for Rudy
off rebound % 10th for Rudy Embiid unranked
def reb % 3rd Rudy 8th Embiid
def rating Rudy 1st Embiid 11th
blk % 3rd Rudy unranked Embiid
FG% 4th Rudy Embiid unranked
def win shares Rudy 1st Embiid 19th
2 pt FG% Rudy 6th Embiid unranked
+/- 2nd Embiid?

I can do this all day

[Xiao Yao You]

How is Gobert the franchise player if he’s not even the best player on the team? By your own admission, Mike Conley is better

Why are you ignoring all the impact stats that show Embiid is far better? A team with Ben Simmons and Rudy starting together would be in the lottery.

A team with Rudy and much worse than Simmons has been in the playoffs every year so I'm not sure how you figure that. Conley arguably has been their best player but they keep winning without him. Rudy they can't win without as has been proven time and time again

[Xiao Yao You]

Embiid is a superstar on offense, Rudy is a role player on offense. For your point to make sense Embiid would have to be pretty meh on defense but all the advanced stats show he’s doing quite well on that end. In fact his defensive RAPTOR is +5.6, not far behind Rudy’s +6.3. Meanwhile offensive RAPTOR? Embiid has a +5.1, whereas Rudy is at -0.8, confirming the obvious: Embiid is a stud on offense and Rudy has minimal or even negative impact offensively because he kills spacing.

a role player that is the catalyst for everything they do at both ends. Without his screens, rim running and offensive rebounding it doesn't work. Top 5 offense and defense. He attracts several defenders to the paint which opens up shooters. How is he killing spacing?

[RRR3]

screen assists 2nd Does Embiid set screens?
dunks 1st Rudy Embiid?
defensive box +/- 11th to 16 for Rudy
off rebound % 10th for Rudy Embiid unranked
def reb % 3rd Rudy 8th Embiid
def rating Rudy 1st Embiid 11th
blk % 3rd Rudy unranked Embiid
FG% 4th Rudy Embiid unranked
def win shares Rudy 1st Embiid 19th
2 pt FG% Rudy 6th Embiid unranked
+/- 2nd Embiid?

I can do this all day

You listed a bunch of stats for defense and rebounding when I already said Rudy is better on defense

Screen assists? Dunks?

Also lol at you using FG% and 2PTFG% when Embiid is significantly more efficient due to 3s and FTs. That is literally just cherry-picking to find categories Rudy is ranked ahead in but it means literally nothing since Embiid is way more efficient overall and on massively higher volume.

[Xiao Yao You]

You listed a bunch of stats for defense and rebounding when I already said Rudy is better on defense

Screen assists? Dunks?

Also lol at you using FG% and 2PTFG% when Embiid is significantly more efficient due to 3s and FTs. That is literally just cherry-picking to find categories Rudy is ranked ahead in but it means literally nothing since Embiid is way more efficient overall and on massively higher volume.

and yet the Philly offense is mediocre and the Jazz offense that revolves around Gobert is top 5

[RRR3]

a role player that is the catalyst for everything they do at both ends. Without his screens, rim running and offensive rebounding it doesn't work. Top 5 offense and defense. He attracts several defenders to the paint which opens up shooters. How is he killing spacing?

He is not the catalyst for their offense

Was Tyson Chandler the catalyst for the 11 Mavericks offense?

Again he has a NEGATIVE rating in offensive RPM and offensive RAPTOR, he is factually hurting his team on offense you can literally look these stats up.

[RRR3]

and yet the Philly offense is mediocre and the Jazz offense that revolves around Gobert is top 5

-0.28 ORPM (Embiid 3.97)
-0.8 ORAPTOR (Embiid 5.1)


Kinda hard to argue he’s carrying their offense with those stats, slugger.

[Xiao Yao You]

He is not the catalyst for their offense

Was Tyson Chandler the catalyst for the 11 Mavericks offense?

Again he has a NEGATIVE rating in offensive RPM and offensive RAPTOR, he is factually hurting his team on offense you can literally look these stats up.

Catalyst is from Snyder. His finishing and FT's were off to start the year so his numbers are down. He's been his dominating self recently

[RRR3]

Catalyst is from Snyder. His finishing and FT's were off to start the year so his numbers are down. He's been his dominating self recently

Except that’s literally not true, his impact stats offensively are pretty typical for him. Here are Rudy’s ORAPTOR ratings from the last 3 seasons: and 0.1, 0.7 and -0.6

Here are Rudy’s ORPM from the last 3 years: -0.78, 0.06 and -1.22



At some point you’re going to have to accept that the data says he’s at best neutral on offense in terms of impact.

[Kings2024Champs]

Which is worth more? A dunk or a layup?

[Tycriss]

How is Gobert the franchise player if he’s not even the best player on the team? By your own admission, Mike Conley is better

Why are you ignoring all the impact stats that show Embiid is far better? A team with Ben Simmons and Rudy starting together would be in the lottery.

Gobert is clearly the best player in Jazz