How are mj haters rationalizing what jimmy butler is doing?

[And1AllDay]

Butler is a career 33% three point shooter shooting 27% in his first finals in a three point/shooter friendly era. Jordan also shot 33% from deep with 37% from the arc in the finals in an era that was less friendly to the three pointer.

How is this not understood?

Mikes unbanned zone 3 pt years are baaaad

Like 22% google it

[HoopsNY]

Mikes unbanned zone 3 pt years are baaaad

Like 22% google it

That's convenient using a 39-40 year old's numbers with a player playing in a shooter friendly era who is also in his prime. If what you say is true, then all of Mj's numbers fall through the roof based off of his Wizards years. It literally makes no sense. Your take is comedic with no actual substance. Do you really make these kinds of arguments to people in real life?

[goozeman]

Butler is a career 33% three point shooter shooting 27% in his first finals in a three point/shooter friendly era. Jordan also shot 33% from deep with 37% from the arc in the finals in an era that was less friendly to the three pointer.

How is this not understood?

It's a myth that Jordan couldn't shoot the three. Discounting his rookie season (just 4 games and nobody shot the three then anyway because it was still a new rule), Jordan shot 40% from three in the playoffs for his career. Even if we just look at Bulls championship seasons during non-shortened 3-point line (1990 to 1993, 1998) Jordan shot 37% from three in the playoffs. In 1994 when he unretired Jordan destroyed the shortened 3-point line and shot 50% from the three. Jordan's career 3-point percentages are skewed down because he didn't take a lot of attempts and players weren't protecting their shooting numbers back then by passing on heaves.

[sdot_thadon]

Apparently it means Mj would be alive and well in 2020 just like Lebron would be in the 90s. The notion that a top 5 player ever cant play in a specific era is silly. But.....this point still doesn't magically make Mj a better 3 point shooter. It was a weakness in his game, one of a couple of things one could say in comparison to other players. But he'd be fine in any era where theres a baksetball.

[goozeman]

Apparently it means Mj would be alive and well in 2020 just like Lebron would be in the 90s. The notion that a top 5 player ever cant play in a specific era is silly. But.....this point still doesn't magically make Mj a better 3 point shooter. It was a weakness in his game, one of a couple of things one could say in comparison to other players. But he'd be fine in any era where theres a baksetball.

Nope, it wasn't a weakness. Jordan had no weaknesses to his game. Ya'll just don't know how to look at numbers in context. In the playoffs when it mattered Jordan could shot damn near 40 percent from three. Jordan would destroy this era and shooting 3's would not be a weakness to his game today. On the contrary, it would probably be a strength because he would be conserving energy taking more efficient shots instead of creating in the lane around the basket in an era in which there was no defensive three-second rule and teams usually featured multiple defensive enforcers in the front court.

[Bronbron23]

Butler is easily more skilled than MJ.. hes less athletic but way more skilled than MJ. 10x better playmaker, better footwork, silkier jumper, better ball handler, higher IQ.

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The better question is how do MJ stains rationalize Butler being better than MJ?

And the award for troll of the year goes too.....

[sdot_thadon]

Nope, it wasn't a weakness. Jordan had no weaknesses to his game. Ya'll just don't know how to look at numbers in context. In the playoffs when it mattered Jordan could shot damn near 40 percent from three. Jordan would destroy this era and shooting 3's would not be a weakness to his game today. On the contrary, it would probably be a strength because he would be conserving energy taking more efficient shots instead of creating in the lane around the basket in an era in which there was no defensive three-second rule and teams usually featured multiple defensive enforcers in the front court.

Nah, I watched him live. It definitely was a weakness, but the era didn't make it a debilitating one. That's a good point that when he focused and took only good looks his percentages could increase. We've seen the same out of a guy like Lebron before he became a legitimate 3 point shooter. Still it doesn't discount the numbers, which say he left alot to be desired in that faucet of the game. And if it was just due to era, why did other guys excel at it in the very same era?

[Bronbron23]

Apparently it means Mj would be alive and well in 2020 just like Lebron would be in the 90s. The notion that a top 5 player ever cant play in a specific era is silly. But.....this point still doesn't magically make Mj a better 3 point shooter. It was a weakness in his game, one of a couple of things one could say in comparison to other players. But he'd be fine in any era where theres a baksetball.

It definitely wasn't a weakness. He and league at that time just weren't really shooting them. They shot like 7 a game. Plus you do know he shot around 36% from 3 in the finals right? Thats up there with almost anyone.

[goozeman]

Nah, I watched him live. It definitely was a weakness, but the era didn't make it a debilitating one. That's a good point that when he focused and took only good looks his percentages could increase. We've seen the same out of a guy like Lebron before he became a legitimate 3 point shooter. Still it doesn't discount the numbers, which say he left alot to be desired in that faucet of the game. And if it was just due to era, why did other guys excel at it in the very same era?

Nah, it wasn't. Speaking of eras, this era is all about getting easy looks from three. Offenses are designed around the three now to the point where lineups are getting smaller to accommodate for more 3-point specialists. Furthermore, the rules (gather step, no hand checking, emphasis on freedom of movement, mandated defensive clear out for landing era for airborne shooters, hesitation dribbling to freeze defender, etc ) allow players to always take easy uncontested 3's. A lot of the shooting today is manufactured because of the rules. You've got it backwards. It's easier to shoot the three today, and Jordan was putting up elite numbers in the playoffs in era when offenses weren't really designed to get shots from three and the rules didn't cater to getting easy looks. The greatest example of this is that players today can now always play the defender while facing the basket. In Jordan's era it wasn't unusual to see wing players playing with with their back to basket while bringing the ball up the court due to defensive pressure or start their possession in the post 15-feet out and greater due to hand checking. Look at Pippen guarding Magic in the Finals in 1991.



Magic was basically forced to walk the ball up the court from the post because Pippen was basically mauling him full court. So to answer your question the guys that were elite shooters then would be even better today because the game is easier from an offensive perspective to get an easy shot. Jordan was an elite shooter from all areas of the court and his production in the playoffs when he was forced to rely more on the 3-point shot prove that. He would be an elite 3-point shooter today because A)Jordan was a very capable shooter from three when he needed to be (playoffs when more physical defense forced him to take more outside jumpers) and B)it's easier than ever to score in this era, especially from three.

[sdot_thadon]

If it wasn't a weakness I'd love an explanation of why he didn't shoot it as well as the players who were decent to great at it in his same era. There were plenty of guys who did shoot it good to elite despite the same non focus of it in that era. No pressure.

[r0drig0lac]

imagine current players without all these illegal screens lol

[goozeman]

If it wasn't a weakness I'd love an explanation of why he didn't shoot it as well as the players who were decent to great at it in his same era. There were plenty of guys who did shoot it good to elite despite the same non focus of it in that era. No pressure.

For the most part Jordan didn't need to rely on the 3-point shot, which was considered an inferior shot during his era. Jordan's offensive game for a wing from a pure coaching/teaching perspective was considered the most theoretically correct for his time. Everything you see see Jordan doing on a basketball court was what was expected of him for that era. Nobody even looked at his 3-point percentages during the 90's because as far that era was concerned Jordan was playing the superior brand of basketball by attacking the paint, posting up, and hitting his open 2-point jumpers at a high percentage. He didn't shoot 3's and when he did a lot of those shots were "heaves," i.e. shots late in shot clock or end of regulation and busted offensive sets.

[Bronbron23]

If it wasn't a weakness I'd love an explanation of why he didn't shoot it as well as the players who were decent to great at it in his same era. There were plenty of guys who did shoot it good to elite despite the same non focus of it in that era. No pressure.

He didn't because he didn't need too for the most part. Either way it wasn't a weakness. He shot the three at a good enough clip to make it a threat and actually shot it pretty good on the biggest stage. You do know that he shot the three as good as almost anyone in the finals right?

[sdot_thadon]

For the most part Jordan didn't need to rely on the 3-point shot, which was considered an inferior shot during his era. Jordan's offensive game for a wing from a pure coaching/teaching perspective was considered the most theoretically correct for his time. Everything you see see Jordan doing on a basketball court was what was expected of him for that era. Nobody even looked at his 3-point percentages during the 90's because as far that era was concerned Jordan was playing the superior brand of basketball by attacking the paint, posting up, and hitting his open 2-point jumpers at a high percentage. He didn't shoot 3's and when he did a lot of those shots were "heaves," i.e. shots late in shot clock or end of regulation and busted offensive sets.

That all is true and also That is a pretty long way of saying he didn't shoot it because he did something else much better. That also doesn't in anyway disprove what I said. It was a weakness because he didn't need it. Still a weakness.

[sdot_thadon]

He didn't because he didn't need too for the most part. Either way it wasn't a weakness. He shot the three at a good enough clip to make it a threat and actually shot it pretty good on the biggest stage. You do know that he shot the three as good as almost anyone in the finals right?

Same for you. He didn't need it so he didn't do it. Meaning he didn't do it well either. Yes he made them at a higher clip in the postseason, any idea why? Because in the playoffs you completely sell out to keep him from Air Jordaning all over your guys in the paint, so you let him have the outside shot and live with the results. Not because he just decided to be a better shooter in the playoffs lol, its literally what the defense would give him and hope he'd take.