why doesn't Curry's 5 straight Finals in West get praised like Lebron's 8 in East

[Gohan]

3 ball continues to be the best poster on this board

[3ball]

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals (0%)

no big shots and 0%.. aka jittery in clutch

otoh

MJ was 4-8... aka 50%... aka same as regular season.. aka ice water in veins during clutch

[red1]

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals (0%)

no big shots and 0%.. aka jittery in clutch

otoh

MJ was 4-8... aka 50%... aka same as regular season.. aka ice water in veins during clutch

why are you changing the criteria? you said he didnt have any big shots in the finals... what?

[FKAri]

Cuz no one respects The West since it's trash. 2 years in and Bron's bout to grab the easiest ring of his life.

[Axe]

because we can't find one iconic playoff moment from stephen curry in all of his career

This.

[red1]

Cuz no one respects The West since it's trash. 2 years in and Bron's bout to grab the easiest ring of his life.

[3ball]

wow that was easy.

^^ regular shots down the stretch don't count

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals.. kyrie has more in 1/5 the Finals appearances.. mj was 4-8 in 6 Finals, so imagine if he colluded his way to 10 (teamed up with AD, er Duncan in 99')

[red1]

^^ regular shots down the stretch don't count

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals.. kyrie has more in 1/5 the Finals appearances.. mj was 4-8 in 6 Finals, so imagine if he colluded his way to 10 (teamed up with AD, er Duncan in 99')

this is what you posted:

when did lebron hit the big shot in the Finals?

Fact: 17 years and 10 Finals but no big shots in the Finals

Conclusion: lebron isn't good enough to hit big shots or "takeover" in the clutch on the championship level

and then when you get proven wrong:





"buh buh it doesnt count"

[3ball]

only the goat was the best player in every Finals - Curry can't be measured by that standard because no one else is (lebron isn't knocked for getting out-produced by AD this year, or wade in 2011.. Kobe and Shaq don't get knocked for being sidekicks, etc, etc)



curry and others should get more praise than lebron for giving teams a higher ceiling (better Finals record), aka better teams... higher ceiling = higher long run championship expectation = better player

lebron does a great job of dribbling his way to a certain caliber of team - but his ball-dominance prevents the best brand of ball, thereby limiting team ceiling and long run championship expectation (struggles to win on championship level, aka 18-31, worst of modern era)...

indeed - being good at winning the conference finals is inferior to being good at winning Finals (the best team ceiling)


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Shooter?

[3ball]

this is what you posted:



and then when you get proven wrong:





"buh buh it doesnt count"

yes by "big shot", I meant game-winners or game-tyers (0-8 for bron... 0%)

otherwise, guys like JR Smith and Boobie Gibson have plenty of shots like the one you posted

[warriorfan]

yes by "big shot", I meant game-winners or game-tyers (0-8 for bron... 0%)

otherwise, guys like JR Smith and Boobie Gibson have plenty of shots like the one you posted

I guess when you are a LeBron stan, hitting a couple of routine midrange jumpers vs an ancient spurs team is something to be highly praised for.

Those lowered expectations.

[Shooter]

Whoops

[Shooter]

Lebron joined with a previous Finals MVP and #2 PER in the league then lost with a fully healthy squad and got outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals.

Wade's last four playoff runs before LeBron:

2007
2008
2009
2010

Which year did he ever get to the Finals? None
Okay fine, which year did he get out of the 1st round? None

Know your history

[Shooter]

ooooooh killem

OP body bagged

And he didn't shoot that over Craig Ehlo or Byron Russell, literally shot it over the greatest perimeter defender in league history

[3ball]

Whoops

^^^ That required a lot more games and on the last possession (last 24 seconds), MJ is the most lethal/likely to win the game:





And for the Finals only, Lebron is 0-8 (0% to win the game in the championship) while MJ is 4-8 (50% to win the game, so no drop-off under pressure)


And MJ was far more clutch in the last 5 minutes of tight games:

Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001

134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

Jordan 1997 Playoffs.. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs.. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game

Old MJ had much higher clutch efficiency and attempts than Lebron - the goat in tight games

https://www.basketball-reference.com...r_by=date_game