What's the argument for LeBron NOT being the GOAT

[Bronbron23]

Response?

Again this is just cherry picking at its finest. I notuce lebron stans make a habit of this on this forum. Some of those points are just dumb.

Elimination games? In his prime Mj was to good to let it get to that point.

Consecutive finals? It was the weak east. If bron played in the better conference like mj did he would of only made the finsls 3 times in total.
More points and steals? Mj scored more points and had more steals per game so lebron olnly has more points and stesls because he played more games.

To put this in perspective for you lets say we had a contest of who could f*ck the most bitches and every year for 15 years you f*cked more bitches then me. Then you got married and settled down while i kept f*ucking bitches for the next few years so eventually i ended up f*cking more b*tches than you in total. Who would you consider the better ladies man between the 2?

And yes i know your a fakkit but just pretend like your a real man whos f*cked women and try to answer the question.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]What

[Gileraracer]

At quitting in his prime to rest up mentally and physically.


LeBron's 3 rings >>>>>>> MJ's 3 rings

Just that Jordan has 6.

All with one team, didn't need two superstar collusion

[TheMan]

He was a better defender than MJ, played on less talented teams against tougher competition and broke every single one of this playoff records in the same amount of playoff appearances (13 each). MJ has no case over LeBron except rings, but then again...Russell has 11 so there's that

LeBron hasn't played defense in at least half a decade, MJ was still making defensive first teams in his mid 30s, he has a DPOY, LeBron has none. LeBron has played with way more All Stars and several FMVPs, MJ's only constant All Star teammate was Pippen. Tougher competition? MJ faced better competition in 3 of the 4 playoffs rounds, LeBron has faced tougher Finals opponents and that's because he was feasting in the LEeastern Conference all those years, had he been out West, no way he makes 8 straight Finals. It's been easier to score now for a while, defense has been pretty much eliminated in the NBA so a lot of LeBron's playoffs records should be taken with a grain of salt.

Peak vs peak, MJ was the superior player easily...only argument LBJ has is longevity TBH

[sammichoffate]

Can we ban this guy already?

[Hey Yo]

Just that Jordan has 6.

All with one team, didn't need two superstar collusion

Nobody counts his 3 rest up rings, Mr. Sweeped

[Gileraracer]

Nobody counts his 3 rest up rings, Mr. Sweeped

Wrong, everybody except you retarded Lebron c0cksuckers count them

[BigShotBob]

Orlando was missing their star guard too and had to start a literal AND-1 player as PG Cavs were HEAVY favorites with HCA

Difference is Dwight played on both ends and was dominant on O and D

Not to mention what happened next postseason with the Celtics with Cavs also as heavy favorites

Then he "dominated" a sht conference with 2 other all-stars

Paul George was by far the 2nd best playoff performer the Least had during Brans run.

George goes West and upset b2b 1st rounds as the favorite outplayed by Joe fcking Ingles then CJ Mccollum

The best Least teams were Celtics team led by a 5'6 player who was a bench warmer in the West
Then a Craptors team with Defrozen who's arguably the worst playoff performer of all-time consistently shtting the bed getting shut down by JR Smith. Now we see Defrozen in a real conference......

Lebrons playoff record VS Least teams VS West teams from 2011-2018

VS Least: 96-27 (78%)
VS West: 18-27 (40%)

That is a ****ing insane stat. During his finals streak this dude lost just as many games to West playoff teams as Least...... despite playing 78 more games VS Least teams.

That just shows the massive discrepancy in the conferences. And Bran still needed 2 all-stars, 2 of the best 5 players in the conference on his team to have real success

Then he goes West and misses the playoffs......

Not to mention him only being a real impact defender under Spo from 11-13 who's one of the GOAT defensive coaches. His other best seasons were 09/10 and be was able to get by on not playing D and turning it up in the playoffs against joke meme teams with glaring holes like Defrozen Craptors or midget led Celts or Playoff P Pacers

He's a complete fraud for anyone that can analyze the game with nuance and objectivity.

Huge fan of Lebron (not even trolling) but that's an insane stat right there.

[Hey Yo]

Wrong, everybody except you retarded Lebron c0cksuckers count them

Why the meltdown, Mr. Sweeped??

Only a matter of time till people put MJ's resting up for 2yrs into proper perspective and realize he only has 3 legit rings.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron hasn't played defense in at least half a decade, MJ was still making defensive first teams in his mid 30s, he has a DPOY, LeBron has none. LeBron has played with way more All Stars and several FMVPs, MJ's only constant All Star teammate was Pippen. Tougher competition? MJ faced better competition in 3 of the 4 playoffs rounds, LeBron has faced tougher Finals opponents and that's because he was feasting in the LEeastern Conference all those years, had he been out West, no way he makes 8 straight Finals. It's been easier to score now for a while, defense has been pretty much eliminated in the NBA so a lot of LeBron's playoffs records should be taken with a grain of salt.

Peak vs peak, MJ was the superior player easily...only argument LBJ has is longevity TBH

James played a total of 2 years with All-NBA players (Varejao-defense 2010) and Wade 2011. Pippen was All-NBA for 8yrs straight and most were on both ends of the floor. Rodman also All-Defensive plus rebound King all 3yrs with MJ.

Regardless of conference, no chance MJ makes 8 Finals in a row. He couldn't even play more than 7 straight seasons w/o needing to quit to rest up.

It looks like it's easier to score to you because you're stuck in the 90's. You're use to seeing 72-67 Finals scores and teams putting up 54 total points in the Finals.

[Leviathon1121]

James played a total of 2 years with All-NBA players (Varejao-defense 2010) and Wade 2011. Pippen was All-NBA for 8yrs straight and most were on both ends of the floor. Rodman also All-Defensive plus rebound King all 3yrs with MJ.

Regardless of conference, no chance MJ makes 8 Finals in a row. He couldn't even play more than 7 straight seasons w/o needing to quit to rest up.

It looks like it's easier to score to you because you're stuck in the 90's. You're use to seeing 72-67 Finals scores and teams putting up 54 total points in the Finals.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/pag.../all-nbarank-1

[SouBeachTalents]

James played a total of 2 years with All-NBA players (Varejao-defense 2010) and Wade 2011. Pippen was All-NBA for 8yrs straight and most were on both ends of the floor. Rodman also All-Defensive plus rebound King all 3yrs with MJ.

Regardless of conference, no chance MJ makes 8 Finals in a row. He couldn't even play more than 7 straight seasons w/o needing to quit to rest up.

It looks like it's easier to score to you because you're stuck in the 90's. You're use to seeing 72-67 Finals scores and teams putting up 54 total points in the Finals.

Wade was All-NBA 2011-13. Ditto Kyrie in 2015

[Hey Yo]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/pag.../all-nbarank-1

Article from Feb. 10th, 2016


meh.

[TheMan]

James played a total of 2 years with All-NBA players (Varejao-defense 2010) and Wade 2011. Pippen was All-NBA for 8yrs straight and most were on both ends of the floor. Rodman also All-Defensive plus rebound King all 3yrs with MJ.

Regardless of conference, no chance MJ makes 8 Finals in a row. He couldn't even play more than 7 straight seasons w/o needing to quit to rest up.

It looks like it's easier to score to you because you're stuck in the 90's. You're use to seeing 72-67 Finals scores and teams putting up 54 total points in the Finals.

This post is so dumb I'm just gonna ignore it

[Hey Yo]

Wade was All-NBA 2011-13. Ditto Kyrie in 2015

You're correct, my overlook.

Wade did miss a combined 30gms in 12 and 13. Plus, Kyrie only played 3 games in the ECF and Finals combined in 2015.