JR Smith on 90's competition- "We can't even name Craig Ehlo's backup"

[3ball]

This has nothing to do with

Just informing you of the facts

You claimed Hornacek wasn't good. You were wrong obviously

A bonafide 20-point scorer and playmaker - the leading scorer on a 55-win team that destroyed Magic's dream team the prior year.. and he led all wings in assists at least 2 seasons

[HylianNightmare]

Smith doesn't strike me as a student of the game you know

[bigkingsfan]

Just informing you of the facts

You claimed Hornacek wasn't good. You were wrong obviously

A bonafide 20-point scorer and playmaker - the leading scorer on a 55-win team that destroyed Magic's dream team the prior year.. and he led all wings in assists at least 2 seasons

He didn't led that team, he was 3rd in scoring, why you lying?

He became the leading scorer two years after.

[scuzzy]

ITT insecure MJ stans fuming

[3ball]

He didn't led that team, why you lying?

He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

[tpols]

He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

[COLOR="Yellow"]The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams [/COLOR]that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

so MJ was pretty obviously in the weaker conference then poast pistons and celtics era...

so the west had to go through a gauntlet.

[bigkingsfan]

He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

Leading scorer of one series out of a 82 game season doesn't make you a leader baby boy. He was the clear 3rd option of that team with KJ and Chambers taking more shots in that series.

[3ball]

Leading scorer of one series out of a 82 game season doesn't make you a leader baby boy. He was the clear 3rd option of that team with KJ and Chambers taking more shots in that series.

Hornacek scored the most per 100 possessions in that series versus the lakers

So he led the Suns on a per possession basis

And he was the leading scorer on the 55 win team in 1991 - they got beat by Stockton/Malone in the 1st round

That's how much parity there was - a team that crushed magic's 1 seed in 1990 gets beat by Stockton in the 1st round in 1991...

Again, teams in the stacked West took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)..

[Rico2016]

Imagine having no offence help what so ever and having to score almost 15-20 more points a game then your next best player to win the finals. Lebron only had to score 6 more than Wade and 2 more than Kyrie.

Yeah and was his opponent's second and third option dropping a blistering 9 and 10 points per game?

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[bigkingsfan]

Hornacek scored the most per 100 possessions in that series versus the lakers

So he led the Suns on a per possession basis

And he was the leading scorer on the 55 win team in 1991 - they got beat by Stockton/Malone in the 1st round

That's how much parity there was - a team that crushed magic's 1 seed in 1990 gets beat by Stockton in the 1st round in 1991...

Again, teams in the stacked West took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)..

Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?

[3ball]

Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?

3 guys averaged 21 ppg versus the Lakers

Take your pick who the leader was

Hornacek led in per possession scoring and was a catalyst of sorts, so I go with him.. you're free to go with whoever you want though

[Rico2016]

Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?

I swear this 3ball dude is always making up random restrictions and very specific detailed slices of data to prove a point.

Person: LeBron scored more points than Jordan on less shots

3ball: Yes, but in 1995 when he played Shaq in games 1 and 2 MJ scored 80 points with one all-star which was more than LeBron in 2015 when he had two all-starts in game 1 and 2 against a lesser center (Andrew Bogut).

Me reading it:

[bigkingsfan]

3 guys averaged 21 ppg versus the Lakers

Take your pick who the leader was

Hornacek led in per possession scoring and was a catalyst of sorts, so I go with him.. you're free to go with whoever you want though

Wrong, two guys averaged 22 and one averaged 21. Damn, you can't even get the most simple things correct.

[3ball]

Yeah and was his opponent's second and third option dropping [COLOR="Navy"]a blistering 9 and 10 points per game? [/COLOR]

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It's interesting because in 1997, Stockton and Hornacek both averaged between 16-20 while beating Shaq's Lakers and Hakeem's Rockets in the playoffs

But in 1998, Stockton/Hornacek only averaged 10-12 while sweeping Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. the jazz had 5 other guys over 8 ppg in addition to Stockton/Hornacek and also 30 ppg Malone (Malone was goat-level in the 98' Playoffs)...
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[bullettooth]

It's interesting because in 1997, Stockton and Hornacek both averaged between 16-20 while beating Shaq's Lakers and Hakeem's Rockets in the playoffs

But in 1998, Stockton/Hornacek only averaged 10-12 while sweeping Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. the jazz had 5 other guys over 8 ppg in addition to Stockton/Hornacek and 30 ppg Malone (Malone was goat-level in the 98' Playoffs)

That sounds a lot like getting Wade and Bosh or Kyrie and Love and still losing.... multiple times.