Jokic is doing what lebron should be doing - fielding a contender with a no-star cast

[3ball]

Giannis is also doing it, along with harden and others. Lebron is being overrated for not doing the same, and instead managing expectations via low projections

And Jokic's team moves the ball and runs better shit (#2 in team assists)... People rave about a team's bad record without lebron, but that happens for any ball-dominant team that loses their ball-dominator - Harden's team would similarly fall off without their ball-dominator, whereas a team that relies on ball movement can continue to rely on ball movement..

the key to goatness is getting dominant stats without stopping ball movement, so the team can actually be good (move the ball instead of relying on a player's ball-dominance)
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[superduper]

Jokic isn't a bitch like LeBrenda

[FireDavidKahn]

Giannis is also doing it, along with harden and others. Lebron is being overrated for not doing the same, and instead managing expectations via low projections

And Jokic's team moves the ball and runs better shit (#2 in team assists)... People rave about a team's bad record without lebron, but that happens for any ball-dominant team that loses their ball-dominator - Harden's team would similarly fall off without their ball-dominator, whereas a team that relies on ball movement can continue to rely on ball movement..

the key to goatness is getting dominant stats without ball-stopping potential ball movement, so the team can actually be good (instead of relying on a player's ball-dominance)
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Giannis and Jokic aren't doing anything that LeBron didn't do in his first stint in Cleveland...

Besides, both Jokic and Giannis this year are playing with a supporting cast FAR better then what LeBron had in his first stint.

[k0kakw0rld]

It's not like the Lakers weren't 4th in the west before he got injured, huh?

bitchBall

[stalkerforlife]

Giannis and Jokic aren't doing anything that LeBron didn't do in his first stint in Cleveland...

Besides, both Jokic and Giannis this year are playing with a supporting cast FAR better then what LeBron had in his first stint.

Jokic is doing it in the West.

Everything East is meaningless when Bran played.

[aj1987]

So why couldn't Jordan field a contender with a no-star cast and instead went 1-9?

[NBASTATMAN]

LEBRON LIVING RENT FREE IN

3BALL
STALKER
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SUPERSCRUB
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'S HEADS..

CANT GET ENOUGH OF LEBRON THESE GUYS...

[StrongLurk]

3ball, you've confirmed over and over again that Lebron is a top 5 player of all time.

We are tired of it.

[3ball]

Giannis and Jokic aren't doing anything that LeBron didn't do in his first stint in Cleveland...

Besides, both Jokic and Giannis this year are playing with a supporting cast FAR better then what LeBron had in his first stint.

Lebron did that in a weak East that Kidd, Iverson, and Dwight all romped to the Finals with weak casts in.. so it means nothing.. lebron actually missed the Finals and lost to Dwight during those years

And why not this year for the so-called goat, like MJ did when he was 34 and pippen was out (24-11, 1 seed) - mj showed he was DESERVING of the praise by being better than the young guns and winning MVP over Shaq, Hill, Hakeem, Penny, Duncan, Kidd and the like

Btw, don't have a short memory, like all lebron fans/media - J Murray isn't anywhere near Mo Williams, who was considered a big pickup and the only roster change during the Cavs' 21-win improvement from 08' to 09' (45 to 66 wins):

Mo Williams 08':[COLOR="White"].l.[/COLOR] 17/3/6.. 56.6 ts.. 17.0 PER.. 0.091 ws/48.. 2.6 obpm.. 1.4 vorp
Jamal Murray 19':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 18/4/5.. 52.8 ts.. 15.4 PER.. 0.082 ws/48.. 0.6 obpm.. 0.4 vorp
Mo Williams 09':[COLOR="White"]l..[/COLOR] 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 3.0 obpm.. 3.1 vorp

[bigkingsfan]

He's doing better than 4th year Ordan

Jokic >

[Kawhi]

I am 100% certain OP has not seen a Denver game in years. That team is very good.

[3ball]

He's doing better than 4th year Ordan

Jokic >

In Jordan's 4th healthy season (89'), he led a 6 seed to the ECF and 6 games with the champs.. whereas lebron gets swept and has record loss with various 2 seeds

So let see what Jokic can do with his 2 seed this year.. although surely he'll do better than lebron's record losses, so Jokic is already > lebron..

but jokic ain't taking the champs 6 games - only MJ did that with a low-seeded, star-less cast.. and that's how we know he could win this year with these lakers, who have 3 guys > 89' pippen, plus elite rim protection and just a ton of good players that MJ never had

[FireDavidKahn]

Jokic is doing it in the West.

Everything East is meaningless when Bran played.

Sure, but what id Jokic never makes it to the the Finals or even the WCF. How would that be different then LeBron in his first stint in Cleveland?

[3ball]

I am 100% certain OP has not seen a Denver game in years. That team is very good.

denver doesn't have a high talent level.. the Lakers might have more talent

But Denver moves the ball and runs better shit (#2 in team assists)...

People rave about a team's bad record without lebron, but that happens for any ball-dominant team that loses their ball-dominator - Harden's team would similarly fall off without their ball-dominator, whereas a team that relies on ball movement can continue to rely on ball movement..

the key to goatness is getting dominant stats without stopping ball movement, so the team can actually be good (move the ball instead of relying on a player's ball-dominance)

[Foster5k]

the key to goatness is getting dominant stats without stopping ball movement, so the team can actually be good (move the ball instead of relying on a player's ball-dominance)

Yet, the '93-'94 Bulls lost in the 2nd round WITHOUT Jordan.