Very surprised Mavs got Porzingis that cheap

[FireDavidKahn]

I remember that but he wasn't a max player. Chicago had a reasonable offer for him on the table for a long time but he was holding out for more, then they pulled it in.... Sept? Seemed like a long time.

Ya, that's why I said the closest I can think of. He left so much money on the table.

[DMAVS41]

My initial reaction was wtf NY

But then you hear how KP wanted out, wasn't going to sign an extension. If he signed the QO, NYK can't deal him without his permission, hamstringing the team even more.

So the Knicks did something that was extremely balsy, they moved him for a guy they could have drafted (if they really wanted him that bad) and used that asset to clear 2 contracts.

Wise move if they end up w a game changing player or two in the summer

And we will say "Knicks gonna Knicks" if they end up with swinging and missing, whether warranted or not.

It would be interesting if they shopped him, how many teams had the requisite expiring contracts and would have offered more?

The only thing the Knicks have to avoid this summer is giving out bad contracts to non stars.

Even if they miss out...as long as they don't commit long-term money to non stars...they'll be in a good spot.

Don't forget that they also got 2 first rounders (one of them unprotected)

DSJ / Frank / Knox / Robinson / Likely top 3 pick...with extra first rounders and their own picks and no bad contracts...

That is a great situation for them...even if they miss out on free agency. They have all their own picks so they'll get another good young player next season...and will still have loads of cap as well (assuming they don't screw up) and even better trade assets.

Knicks are in a really good spot right now in my opinion...and could turn into amazing if they get Zion and a couple stars.

[ImKobe]

2.0 means exactly the same. No differences whatsoever. Hard to differentiate.

KP is not Dirk 2.0

I didin't say exactly 2.0, but he's the closest thing to Dirk 2.0 that you can find in the current NBA. They're both 7-ft Euros that love to shoot the basketball and who had similar production in the 3rd year of their careers, where was I wrong in saying that? I guess you could argue Markkanen, but he's not a good mid-range shooter.

Obviously they're not 100% alike, but they have a lot in common. It's probably one of the main reasons why the Mavs would give up two first rounders for him.

[FKAri]

My initial reaction was wtf NY

But then you hear how KP wanted out, wasn't going to sign an extension. If he signed the QO, NYK can't deal him without his permission, hamstringing the team even more.

So the Knicks did something that was extremely balsy, they moved him for a guy they could have drafted (if they really wanted him that bad) and used that asset to clear 2 contracts.

Wise move if they end up w a game changing player or two in the summer

And we will say "Knicks gonna Knicks" if they end up with swinging and missing, whether warranted or not.

It would be interesting if they shopped him, how many teams had the requisite expiring contracts and would have offered more?

Why would they even want a guy like Kawhi or KD? Knicks are set up for a full rebuild now. Why would those guys want to come to a full rebuilding team and why would a rebuilding team even want them? KD will be 31 next year. The timeline doesn't make sense.

[DMAVS41]

Why would they even want a guy like Kawhi or KD? Knicks are set up for a full rebuild now. Why would those guys want to come to a full rebuilding team and why would a rebuilding team even want them? KD will be 31 next year. The timeline doesn't make sense.

Not saying it will happen, but the plan would be to sign 2 max level players...and then use their pick and assets to go get a 3rd star...

I mean...play it out. KD / Kyrie / 3rd star / with some decent young players.

I don't know...two legit superstars with Zion or another all-star level player on a team with the assets they just got from the Mavs is pretty tempting...

And in the East...they'd be favored to make the finals.

If they won the lottery and the Pels refuse to move Davis. The Knicks would have the best chance to land Davis.

So, in some crazy world...it could be Kyrie / KD / Davis

[FKAri]

Not saying it will happen, but the plan would be to sign 2 max level players...and then use their pick and assets to go get a 3rd star...

I mean...play it out. KD / Kyrie / 3rd star / with some decent young players.

I don't know...two legit superstars with Zion or another all-star level player on a team with the assets they just got from the Mavs is pretty tempting...

And in the East...they'd be favored to make the finals.

The whole deal being good or bad ultimately rests on KP's health and who NYK can get in free agency. All I know is this deal will look lopsided one way or the other when looked back at after 5 or so years.

[DMAVS41]

The whole deal being good or bad ultimately rests on KP's health and who NYK can get in free agency. All I know is this deal will look lopsided one way or the other when looked back at after 5 or so years.

I think that is true for the Mavericks, but I don't view the Knicks deal quite the same.

I agree with you if we essentially connect free agency to this deal, but the Knicks making a dumb decision in free agency, to me, is pretty removed from this deal.

Because the Knicks can choose to be patient. They don't have to sign players to deals this year. They can test free agency...miss out on the guys they want...sign some 1 year deals...develop their young players and do it all over again next summer with a better team with an upcoming high draft pick.

For the Mavs, yea...I agree...KP's health / play determines this.

[tontoz]

Ya, that's why I said the closest I can think of. He left so much money on the table.

No doubt. If I remember right he was surprised they pulled the deal which was for something like $50-60 million.

I think there is absolutely zero chance that Z takes the QO, especially given his injury. If he plays for the QO and it turns out he isn't the same player after the surgery.....

[Crown&Coke]

The only thing the Knicks have to avoid this summer is giving out bad contracts to non stars.

Even if they miss out...as long as they don't commit long-term money to non stars...they'll be in a good spot.

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They have some patient management now. But it still all depends on ownership, who hasn't been the most patient dude around. It will be interesting for sure. I would like to see a good Knicks team battling a good Brooklyn team in the coming years

[Crown&Coke]

Why would they even want a guy like Kawhi or KD? Knicks are set up for a full rebuild now. Why would those guys want to come to a full rebuilding team and why would a rebuilding team even want them? KD will be 31 next year. The timeline doesn't make sense.

I hear you, but if you can get a prime time guy, you roll the dice and get a prime time guy, especially if all it will take is cap space. They can advance the timeline of their rebuild with a guy like Kawhi or KD. Does it make the most sense? Time will tell. I do think they have the right guys in place in the FO, no longer guys just playing checkers

[PeroAntic]

Carmelo and Porzingis were a superteam....?

They also had an MVP and DPOY with them. Sadly the DPOY spent most of the season on the injury table and instead of Zingis moving to the 5 and Melo to the 4 where hes far more effective, they had Kyle O Quinn starting at center

[90sgoat]

KP is nothing like Dirk.

He was nicknamed "the Unicorn" for a reason.

KP is an elite rim protector and shot blocker with a 3 point shot. His defensive prowess is worth it alone.

His only comparison with Dirk is they both like to work from the high post and shoot over opponents.

I'd say he is most similar to a taller Kevin Durant, except not as mobile and better on D/worse from 3, but their shot selection is similar.

[Haymaker]

Porzingis is a talented player, but he is a major headache with his preference to play at the 4. Hes too slow to guard small ball PFs on the perimeter. He should be playing center, but hes too light and of underdeveloped frame to battle with bigs all game. If he was willing to play at the 5 and Melo at the 4 instead of them prefering the 4 and 3 respectively, the Knicks superteam experiment might have worked.

The league is moving towards position-less basketball and you're worried about if he should play four or five? Dallas couldn't ask for a better return. He'll fit right in with Luka.

[baudkarma]

what dont you guys get?

We are in REBUILD mode. We dont need good players now. We're holding out for something better while we tank for a high pick.

When are the Knicks NOT in rebuild mode? When are they not tanking to get a high pick? A pick which they will inevitably screw up?

Okay, if you're a Knicks fan, here's what you're hoping. You're hoping that the Knicks have reached out privately to Kevin and Kyrie, and have heard from both of their camps that they want to come and play for the Knicks. The Knicks need to free up a couple of max salary slots, so BANG! trade away our best player to let those two guy know that we're serious and we're all in.

If the Knicks manage to sign Durant and Irving using the cap space they created from this trade, then they win. If they sign one of those guys it's a draw, depending on what they get with the Mavs draft choices. If they whiff again in free agency, as they have so many times before, then they're looking pretty stupid. Which is actually somewhat normal for them.

[PeroAntic]

The league is moving towards position-less basketball and you're worried about if he should play four or five? Dallas couldn't ask for a better return. He'll fit right in with Luka.

Porzingis cant defend on the perimeter well, so in order to minimize that liability you cant afford to pair him with another big (unless hes a defensive specialist ala Gobert). Its not exactly rocket science