Replace Brandon Ingraham with 2nd year Pippen

[3ball]

I suspected it before, but now it's official. You have lost your mind.
How come MJ didn't "teach and developed" his Wizards teammates' passing and held them accountable on defense.

He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

[And1AllDay]

He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

Uhh

1993 57 wins
1994 55 wins

Mike is a +2 win impact kinda guy

[3ball]

[COLOR="Navy"]Also Phil Jackson [/COLOR]

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Phil wasn't the coach in 89' and had never coached before

Whereas Luke Walton coached the warriors to 39-4 in 2016, better than anything Phil ever did.. Luke has simply been shut down in LA because he can't run the Warriors' system with lebron

Again you are CONVENIENTLY IGNORING other factors like Pippen's GREAT DEFENSE,

Pippen wasn't a good defender in 89'

might as well include Kobe's 2nd year stats, where does Kobe rank with his impressive 15 pts, 2 assists, 3 rebs during his 2nd year.

Exactly

89' pippen compares to rookie Kobe, who wasn't good yet

I'd say that 2nd year Kobe was already better than 2nd year pippen though

Regardless, neither player was very good, just like ingram... Kobe would've been good regardless, whereas pippen needed MJ, just like ingram does

[3ball]

Uhh

1993 57 wins
1994 55 wins

Mike is a +2 win impact kinda guy

That's what happens when you build a good team over many years, rather than throwing a bunch of talent together and hoping it's enough

[And1AllDay]

Phil wasn't the coach in 89' and had never coached before

Whereas Luke Walton coached the warriors to 39-4 in 2016, better than anything Phil ever did.. Luke has simply been shut down in LA because he can't run the Warriors' system with lebron



Pippen wasn't a good defender in 89'



Exactly

89' pippen compares to rookie Kobe, who wasn't good yet

I'd say that 2nd year Kobe was already better than 2nd year pippen though

Regardless, neither player was very good, just like ingram... Kobe would've been good regardless, whereas pippen needed MJ, just like ingram does

Bruh in 1991 finals Pippen Scottie already had 21/9/8

[3ball]

Bruh in 1991 finals Pippen Scottie already had 21/9/8

That was 4th year pippen

By then, pippen's passing had improved by playing with the goat assist target, while his scoring/defense/toughness improved alongside the goat scorer/assassin and dpoy

Ingram gets none of this alongside Lebron's ball-domination, matador defense, weak repertoire, and beta shrinking.. Wade/Riley taught lebron how to win, so Ingram ain't picking up shit from lebron except how to stiff-arm
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[Gus Hemmingway]

RealGM making a MOCKERY of 3ball

[Uncle Drew]

I'm slightly disappointed Bonner didn't name him Ingraham.

[3ball]

RealGM making a MOCKERY of 3ball

That's easy to do when you won't let the person respond

If they did, I'd rip them a new asshole like I do to you guys on this site... they know this, so I get banned pretty quick.. they won't respond with clever, deflecting trolls like you guys, so they just ban

And it's not like I'm posting bullshit

I got banned for posting the time of possession stats, assisted rates and team assists - all stats that hadn't previously been posted or discussed - but I was banned - for posting DATA

Again, it's because they have no counterarguments and want to keep believing their bullshit about how losing is actually better than winning...

[zeerghit]

That's easy to do when you won't let the person respond

If they did, I'd rip them a new asshole.. they know this, so I get banned pretty quick

And it's not like I'm posting bullshit

I got banned for posting the time of possession stats, assisted rates and team assists - all stats that hadn't previously been posted or discussed - but I was banned - for posting DATA

Again, it's because they have no counterarguments and want to keep believing their bullshit about how losing is actually better than winning...

YES YOU ARE

[Gus Hemmingway]

i forgot about Laz's Top 10 list I posted last year on there


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https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...f=64&t=1600571

[3ball]

YES YOU ARE

That's what people said in 2014 when I said the game was too easy for perimeter players

Now that's common knowledge

Or when I laughed at everyone for thinking IT would work with Lebron

Similarly, people think 89' pippen was a really good player and better than Ingram

He wasn't, but he played next to the perfect teammate, whose ball movement style, goat scoring, defense, and mentality grew pippen in these areas... Otoh, ingram's environment is the opposite of these things, so he's stagnating instead of growing like pip

YES YOU ARE

MJ made pippen, while lebron is destroying ingram:

- Where's ingram's goat assist target?

- Where's ingram's dpoy teacher and example?

- Where's ingram's teammate with goat repertoire and assassin mentality to learn from?

So how could he grow like Pippen did?...

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[Nash]

so just for shits I asked on realgm if Ingram was better than 89 Pippen. I'm literally being yelled at and banned

reading that thread right now dying of laughter.

'Ingraham' and copy pasting 3ball's lunatic thread as answers by Gus

[3ball]

reading that thread right now dying of laughter.

'Ingraham' and copy pasting 3ball's lunatic thread as answers by Gus

And yet the facts remain

Ingram has less assist and scoring capacity alongside the low-assisted, ball-dominant lebron than he'd have alongside the high-assisted, off-ball MJ.

And that's okay if you think the guys on realgm are knowledgeable, but I prefer Jerry West directly stating that MJ is better for ball movement than Lebron (here (24:35)), and Stu Jackson stating that today's game has devolved into a gimmicky, no D, 3-point shooting contest that smarter fans will soon bore of (here)..

let me know when you see those sound bites posted on realgm..

Obviously, if we know a player is worse for ball movement, then that's a pretty good argument for why his teams aren't as good and don't fare as well on the championship level..

[tamaraw08]

He was 40, and still improved them 18 wins, more than lebron did with the 12' Heat

Ultimately, MJ Improved a 19-win team to 30+ wins, just like rookie MJ and lebron did.. those are the only times either player inherited a team that bad..

(the 15' Cavs acquired the league's 2nd team PF, not just lebron, and they already had kyrie)

MJ turned 40 and all of a sudden can NOT teach his teammates the art of passing and defense.
Another BS take from you.