Where would you rank James Harden's current offensive season all-time?

[SaltyMeatballs]

Cool. And Harden was literally a bench player during Wade's time. Literally.

I meannn dude... That's not really fair to say that. He did win sixth man of the year, and the season right after where he got traded to Houston, he averaged 26/6/5 his first season as a starter. So he definitely was starter caliber.

It's not like Harden was some scrub on the bench for OKC. That's what you're making it sound like

[eliteballer]

D-PED

[LoneyROY7]

Current Harden is better than Wade has EVER been offensively. And it's not really that close.

Think about it. Wade was a 6'4 shooting guard that was barely even a THREAT from 3. People always think of a Wade as super hyper-efficient guard, right? He never had a year with a 59+ TS percentage or above. EVER. That's a bad TS% year for Harden.

Harden averages more points, rebounds, and assists. He carries a bigger load, and carries it further.

In '08-'09, Wade had a weaker supporting cast and just snuck into the playoffs. Then he proceeded to get dismantled in the 1st round. Harden takes those kind of rosters competes/beats the best teams in the league.

Harden consistently has the highest impact analytics in the league. Leading the league in RPM this year, 2nd last year. He's the greater floor elevator of rosters since LeBron James and it's not close.

Wade in '08-'09 was a big-time player, but he just didn't impact his team like Harden does now.

[elementally morale]

Based on numbers alone he is having a historically great season. Based on the eye-test... I can't tell you. I avoid watching the guy whenever possible.

He is a nice person, I guess. But as far as basketball... he is practically unwatchable to me.

[aj1987]

Realistically, what do you think Wade would average in today's NBA. Don't say 40+ ppg cause like I said, I don't even think Durant would average that if he was the lone star on his team.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Durant. You do realize that Wade averaged just 2 points less than KD did during his MVP season and also Wade was a DPOY candidate?

I meannn dude... That's not really fair to say that. He did win sixth man of the year, and the season right after where he got traded to Houston, he averaged 26/6/5 his first season as a starter. So he definitely was starter caliber.

It's not like Harden was some scrub on the bench for OKC. That's what you're making it sound like

He sure was a scrub in the Finals with 2 MVP level players.

Current Harden is better than Wade has EVER been offensively. And it's not really that close.

Think about it. Wade was a 6'4 shooting guard that was barely even a THREAT from 3. People always think of a Wade as super hyper-efficient guard, right? He never had a year with a 59+ TS percentage or above. EVER. That's a bad TS% year for Harden.

Harden averages more points, rebounds, and assists. He carries a bigger load, and carries it further.

In '08-'09, Wade had a weaker supporting cast and just snuck into the playoffs. Then he proceeded to get dismantled in the 1st round. Harden takes those kind of rosters competes/beats the best teams in the league.

Harden consistently has the highest impact analytics in the league. Leading the league in RPM this year, 2nd last year. He's the greater floor elevator of rosters since LeBron James and it's not close.

Wade in '08-'09 was a big-time player, but he just didn't impact his team like Harden does now.

Harden with significantly better casts was getting absolutely wrecked in the PO's. Dude is beyond garbage in the biggest games of the season.

[Smook A.]

I don't know why you keep bringing up Durant. You do realize that Wade averaged just 2 points less than KD did during his MVP season and also Wade was a DPOY candidate?

Uhh maybe because he's the most versatile, and skilled scorer in the game? Im using him as an example to say he wouldn't average 40 ppg, because you seem to think Wade could.

[SaltyMeatballs]

He sure was a scrub in the Finals with 2 MVP level players. .

Are you implying that Westbrook was an MVP caliber player in 2012? Such a retarded thing to say

Thunder wouldn't even have gotten to the finals if Harden didn't come up clutch in the 2012 WCF against the Spurs. I think you forgot just how good he played in that series.

[LoneyROY7]

I don't know why you keep bringing up Durant. You do realize that Wade averaged just 2 points less than KD did during his MVP season and also Wade was a DPOY candidate?



He sure was a scrub in the Finals with 2 MVP level players.




Harden with significantly better casts was getting absolutely wrecked in the PO's. Dude is beyond garbage in the biggest games of the season.

More smilies, more deflections.

Prime vs. prime. Current Harden is on a different level.

[Manny98]

Current Harden is better than Wade has EVER been offensively. And it's not really that close.

Think about it. Wade was a 6'4 shooting guard that was barely even a THREAT from 3. People always think of a Wade as super hyper-efficient guard, right? He never had a year with a 59+ TS percentage or above. EVER. That's a bad TS% year for Harden.

Harden averages more points, rebounds, and assists. He carries a bigger load, and carries it further.

In '08-'09, Wade had a weaker supporting cast and just snuck into the playoffs. Then he proceeded to get dismantled in the 1st round. Harden takes those kind of rosters competes/beats the best teams in the league.

Harden consistently has the highest impact analytics in the league. Leading the league in RPM this year, 2nd last year. He's the greater floor elevator of rosters since LeBron James and it's not close.

Wade in '08-'09 was a big-time player, but he just didn't impact his team like Harden does now.

No one gives a shit about analytics if you routinely choke in the postseason every year

You Harden stans hyping up his current play like it actually means something

Until he can actually produce in the postseason Harden should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Wade,West and Kobe

[hiphopanonymous]

In addition to no contact I'd be curious what Wade on fresh legs' scoring numbers would look like with 3-4 steps after his gather

*gather

step

step





... step step

"that's a legal play" - 2019 NBA officials

[LoneyROY7]

No one gives a shit about analytics if you routinely choke in the postseason every year

You Harden stans hyping up his current play like it actually means something

Until he can actually produce in the postseason Harden should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Wade,West and Kobe

Ohhhh noo it doesn't mean anything!!!

NBA basketball played on NBA basketball hardwood. Recorded statistics. Every minute you play on the floor in the NBA matters when it comes to basketball history.

[SaltyMeatballs]

In addition to no contact I'd be curious what Wade on fresh legs' scoring numbers would look like with 3-4 steps after his gather

*gather

step

step





... step step

"that's a legal play" - 2019 NBA officials

Idiots like you think he does that every single time when in reality he doesn't. It just became more annoying when he did 2 step backs on the jazz and didn't get called for it

[Manny98]

Ohhhh noo it doesn't mean anything!!!

. Every minute you play on the floor in the NBA matters when it comes to basketball history.

Not if you shrink come playoff time every single year

[hiphopanonymous]

Idiots like you think he does that every single time when in reality he doesn't. It just became more annoying when he did 2 step backs on the jazz and didn't get called for it

I don't think he does it all the time - I'm cracking a joke at the officiating of the game

and it is definitely being exploited by Harden (not gonna lie, smart move by him he SHOULD exploit it as should all players) and will continue to be exploited by players it's how the game changes over time.

The recent interpretation of the gather has changed. It used to be as soon as your hand touched the ball now refs clearly wait until the ball is like pocketed in your hand at the apex of a hesitation style dribble (which used to be a palming violation go figure - another change over time in ball handling). Since they've now pushed back the timing on the gather - we have all these plays that fans of the sport for 20 or more years are screaming travel and the officiating teams are like no it's legal and they come up with the answer that you've always been allowed a rhythmic boom boom boom on the gather..

... but people who watch, or learned the game from years gone by know that that's not exactly true. The gather in the palms down dribble days, and many decades later, was once interpreted to happen much sooner thus you had more like 2-maybe 2.5 steps in eras prior.

Really helps to get to the hoop or clear space from your defender when rules relax about how much you actually need to focus on dribbling the basketball. You can pretty much pick the ball up outside the 3 point line and with ease just run to the hoop for a layup no dribbling necessary now. Just gotta take big strides - cause you're given 3 or 4 full ones.

[Jasper]

top 10, and bottom 10 for defense.

HE is not IMO MVP this year.

His matador defense is pretty horrible.