Was Kareem Abdul Jabbar really that good?

[iamgine]

The guy was highly touted as the 2nd GOAT (perhaps now overtaken by Lebron but still).

Yet in the 'weak' '70s, he only managed to win 1 title. This is despite playing for 6 seasons with Oscar Robertson and another all star in Bob Dandridge so it's not like he was playing with bad teammates like MJ.

In his 10 prime seasons before Magic, his team:

Made Finals 2x Won 1x
Lost in Conference Finals 3x
Lost in Conference Semis 2x
Lost in 1st Rnd 1x
Missed playoff 2x

I'm not sure this is really a resume worthy of how high he's usually ranked.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well if you ignore his MVP awards and being the career scoring leader and basically being great for two decades and instead do your best to invent a list of negatives then sure he won't look that good.

[wally_world]

Always felt he was abit overrated due to his longevity, college resume, and hook shot

Still a top 10 player, but I personally don't have him in front of Russell/Wilt, and possibly Shaq/Hakeem.

[zizozain]

fighting Bruce Lee>

71 game winning streak with a 79-2 overall record

undisputed greatest high school player

undisputed greatest college player

arguably the greatest NBA player

He had the single most unstoppable (and probably most difficult) move in the history of the NBA. The skyhook.

FLAWLESS PLAYER.

very high baskeball IQ

ranks 1st in scoring, 3rd in rebounding, and 3rd in blocks. He also had 4 blocks titles

[chains5000]

I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he didn't work hard enough on defense.

And he says that lots of times he didn't even run down court. And that he didn't really try... except during the playoffs.

[jlip]

According to the words of those whom played and coached against him, yes he was.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...21&postcount=1

[k0kakw0rld]

He is a lock top 3 GOAT for LIFE. Only here on ISH you can read stupid thread like this one.

The man won everywhere he went, high school, (greatest college player ever) and won 6 championships in the NBA, 2 FMVPs (1 with 2 franchises) 6 MVPs (NBA RECORD) SHUT THE **** UP.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nah, he wasn't

[k0kakw0rld]

Nah, he wasn't

Certainly he was, to be able to dominate Wilt.

[SouBeachTalents]

Certainly he was, to be able to dominate Wilt.

I used to think he was, I even had him as the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time, but OP's comprehensive analysis convinced me otherwise. Now? He's borderline top 25

[FKAri]

I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he didn't work hard enough on defense.

And he says that lots of times he didn't even run down court. And that he didn't really try... except during the playoffs.

Listen kid. I've been hearing that crap ever since he was at UCLA. He's out there busting his buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

[k0kakw0rld]

I used to think he was, I even had him as the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all time, but OP's comprehensive analysis convinced me otherwise. Now? He's borderline top 25

You are out of your mind.

[Wally450]

That's like asking if LeBron's really 'that' good because he's lost 6 Finals.

[JohnnySic]

#5 after MJ, Russell, LeBron and Wilt. That's very good.

[sundog67]

I think he's the greatest, but my dad says he didn't work hard enough on defense.

And he says that lots of times he didn't even run down court. And that he didn't really try... except during the playoffs.

Listen kid. I've been hearing that crap ever since he was at UCLA. He's out there busting his buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

Thanks guys.