Lebron James vs. Wilt Chamberlain vs. Kobe Bryant

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...

'70: This is truly laughable. Wilt shredded his knee early in the season, and was playing only four months after major knee surgery.

Not only that, but he was clearly the Lakers best player in that series, despite playing on one leg. He hung the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23-24 .625), and in the last two "must win games" had games of 45-27 on 20-27 shooting, and then 21-24 on .625 shooting. Oh, and how did he fare against a one-legged FMVP Reed in the last three games of Finals? He outscored him by an 88-10 margin; outrebounded him by a 71-3 margin; and outshot him from the floor by a 39-55 to 4-10 margin (.708 to .400.)

All this accomplished with a huge underdog 46-36 team that faced a HOF laden 60-22 Knicks team with HCA in the Finals.

As for the "1-11" from the line in game seven...the Lakers were down by 27 points at halftime, and his missed FTs had no bearing on the game. His TEAMMATES poor play, particularly that of an injured Jerry West, who was just slaughtered by Walt Frazier, contributed far more to that rout.

And this CLOWN didn't mention Wilt's '71 post-season. The post-season in which he didn't have his two best teammates, West and Baylor, and was playing only a year after major knee surgery. Wilt led his underdog Lakers past the Bulls in the first round, and then statistically battled a peak Kareem to a draw in the WCF's, albeit in a 4-1 series loss. In fact, Wilt actually outplayed Kareem in three of those five games, and one of the others was a draw.


Nor did he mention Wilt's '72 post-season. Chamberlain led a team that had gone 48-34 the year before, and that then jettisoned Baylor, to a 69-13 record. In the WCF's, and despite being heavily outscored by a peak Kareem, he, by ALL accounts, outplayed KAJ. In fact, Time Magazine went so far as to claim that Wilt DECISIVELY OUTPLAYED Kareem in that series. A shot-jacking Kareem shot .457 from the floor in that series, and in the last four games he could only shoot .414! The Lakers knocked off the defending champions, and effectively ended their dynasty before it ever got going.

Chamberlain then absolutely crushed the Knicks and their five HOFers in the Finals. He put up a 19-23-7 .600 series, and in the clincher and playing the game with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, he hung a 24-29-8 game on 10-14 shooting. Oh, and he did carried "Mr. Clutch" West, who shot a horrific .325 from the floor, to his only ring. Of course Chamberlain won the FMVP.

[LAZERUSS]

Finally...

'73: Unlike the '72 Finals, which were dominated by the Lakers, the '73 Finals had all five games decided in the last minute. And with West once again puking all over the floor, including 5-17 from the field in the clinching game loss, and with Hairston nowhere near 100%, the Lakers fell 4-1. In Wilt's last game of his career, he was the only Laker to play well, putting up a 23-21 game on 9-16 from the floor.


There you have it. Quite a choking resume alright.

Here was Wilt "the choker" routinely putting up 30-20 playoff series, and against the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Kareem, and Russell. In his scoring prime, he averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against Russell. Remove the Russell games, and he averaged 36 ppg.

He had post-seasons of 22-21-5, 22-29-9, 24-25-7, 28-30, 29-27, 33-26, 35-25, 35-27, and 37-23. He had post-season series of 30-31, 31-27, 34-27, 37-23, 37-23, 39-23, and 39-23. The man averaged 24.5 rpg, and outrebounded the career record holder in ALL EIGHT of their H2H's. He also averaged an NBA record 24.6 rpg in his six Finals. He had back-to-back triple-double post-season series. He outshot his HOF counterparts in his six Finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439...all while badly outrebounding them.

He had must win playoff games of 42, 45, 46, 50, 50, and 56 points.

In his 23 must-win playoff games he averaged 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.4 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.) Anbd in his 37 must win and series clinching playoff games... 29.5 rpg, 26.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG%.

[aj1987]

Nah he averaged 22, lets not give him too much credit.

I said 17.5s and I was giving him too much credit! 17.5s are guys that spend 3-4 years in the gym.

He looks like he has 14's in that picture!

True. 22 PPG in the PO's for the Chokers career.

Oh, do you know that Wade surpassed Ilt Chokerlain in total playoff points in 2 fewer games played?

[Papaya Petee]

True. 22 PPG in the PO's for the Chokers career.

Oh, do you know that Wade surpassed Ilt Chokerlain in total playoff points in 2 fewer games played?

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.

[aj1987]

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.

Found an image which pretty much shows Ilt's arm if he tried to block Wade:

[LAZERUSS]

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.

20 years from now Wade "the Bus Rider" will ONLY be remembered for the being the beneficiary of the NBA's revenge against Cuban in the RIGGED 2006 Finals.

The rest of his career he was pure shit.

The man was never even considered CLOSE to the best player in the game. His HIGHEST finish in the MVP balloting was THIRD. Then ONE FIFTH. Then ONE SIXTH. Then ONE SEVENTH. Hell, he has been considered Top-10, SEVEN times in his entire POS career, and in TWO of those, he BARELY made it.

The Bus Rider...

[aj1987]

20 years from now Wade "the Bus Rider" will ONLY be remembered for the being the beneficiary of the NBA's revenge against Cuban in the RIGGED 2006 Finals.

The rest of his career he was pure shit.

The man was never even considered CLOSE to the best player in the game. His HIGHEST finish in the MVP balloting was THIRD. Then ONE FIFTH. Then ONE SIXTH. Then ONE SEVENTH. Hell, he has been considered Top-10, SEVEN times in his entire POS career, and in TWO of those, he BARELY made it.

The Bus Rider...

The meltdown is strong in this one. I can picture you wiping your tears while posting that drivel.

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

[LAZERUSS]

The meltdown is strong in this one. I can picture you wiping your tears while posting that drivel.

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

Chamberlain...FOUR Game SEVEN's in which his TEAMs lost by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points, and in game's and series in which he dominated. He was 9 points away from FOUR more rings.

The Bus Rider? HANDED a RIGGED FMVP in one Finals, and was a bystander in TWO more. And played like a typical LePUKE in game six of a clinching Finals loss, and then was a POS (as was the STATS-PADDING Shrinkage) in yet another.

[aj1987]

Chamberlain...FOUR Game SEVEN's in which his TEAMs lost by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points, and in game's and series in which he dominated. He was 9 points away from FOUR more rings.

The Bus Rider? HANDED a RIGGED FMVP in one Finals, and was a bystander in TWO more. And played like a typical LePUKE in game six of a clinching Finals loss, and then was a POS (as was the STATS-PADDING Shrinkage) in yet another.

Yo, tinfoil retard:


Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

Straight facts, bitch.

EDIT: Did you just post Chokerlains loses and try to push it as some accomplishment? Holy shit!

[LAZERUSS]

Yo, tinfoil retard:


Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

Straight facts, bitch.

EDIT: Did you just post Chokerlains loses and try to push it as some accomplishment? Holy shit!

How about this...

In Chamberlain's 64-65 season, he was traded mid-year, for three decent players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then single-handedly carried what was a 40-40 team, past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round.

Then, he took that roster, which had gone 34-46 without him...up against the six-time defending champion, and 62-18 Celtics, with SIX HOFers, and at the peal of their dynasty...

to a game seven, one point loss. In a game in which Chamberlain scored 30 pts on 12-15 shooting (and with a .724 TS%), with 32 rebounds. And in that game, he scored Philly's last 8 points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then, after the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with an inbounds pass, the Sixers had a chance to pull off the greatest upset in NBA playoff history. Alas, a Wilt teammate, Hal Greer, threw an inbounds pass that was picked off by Hondo. Oh, and while Chamberlain shot 12-15 from the floor, his teammates collectively shot 28-75 from the floor.. .373...in that one point loss.

For the series, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, with 31.4 rpg (and a 25.2 TRB%), on a .555 FG% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall), and with a .575 TS%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .465.

Oh, and then Boston went on to rout the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included two 30+ point blowout wins, including a clinching 129-96 win. In a series in which Russell averaged 18-25-6 on a .702 FG%. And against this center...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id2=chambwi01



Compare that with Lebron's '16 Finals. Took a 57-25 team up against a 73-9 team that barely won a seven game series against a 55 win team, and was outscored in that series. Then, after the Warriors went up 3-1, the NBA suspended Draymond Green; Andrew Bogut, their rim-protector, missed the last two games with an injury; and the "Lebron-Stopper" Iguadala injured his back and was just a shell in the last two games of the series.

In the game seven win, Lebron shot 9-24 from the field, including 0-4 in the last four minutes. He needed a great defensive stop by Kevin Love (of all people), and a game winning trey from Kyrie to win the game.

Lebron's game seven stats:

27 points, on 9-24 from the field, with an eFG% of .396, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot .450. And with a TS% of .475, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .501.

He also had a teammate score 26 points, on a .478 eFG%, and a .525 TS%.

The best player on the floor in that game seven?

How about Draymond Green, who as you will recall, was suspended in game five. Green put up a game high 32 points, on a .933 eFG% and a .955 TS%, with a game high 15 rebounds.


James had a great series, but not a Wilt-esque '65 EDF's.

29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg on a .533 eFG%, and a .562 TS%, in a series in which both teams shot considerably higher than the teams in Wilt's '65 EDF's.


In any case... Lebron was one shot away from losing the '16 Finals, and Wilt was one bad inbounds pass away from winning a ring in '65.

BTW...none other than John Wooden claimed that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters in their 10 years in the league together, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[aj1987]

How about this...

How about this...

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

[ballinhun8]

NBA forum is such trash now.



Just massive nut huggers everywhere recycling the same sh*t in every thread.

[BedroomBully]

Damn this old piece of $hit Laz is melting down hard right now!! Ive nver seen this beta type so many paragraphs in my life!!! OP you have this boy shhhooook!

[LAZERUSS]

How about this...

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

NBA PLAYOFF RECORDS:

Most 20-20 games.
Most 30-20 games.
Most 30-30 games.
Most 40-20 games.
Most 40-30 games.
Most 50-20 games.
Most 50-30 games.

Most 20-20 playoff series.
Most 30-20 playoff series.
Most 35-20 playoff series.

Most 20-20 playoff runs.
Most 30-20 playoff runs.
Most 35-25 playoff runs.

Played in 29 post-season series, and the leading rebounder in 28 of them. In the one he wasn't, it was in a four game series, and by a PF, and by a 21.0 rpg to 20.0 rpg margin. When the two met as CENTERS, the 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lucas, who played 46 mpg, by a 23.2 to 9.8 rpg margin.

All-time NBA FINALS leading rpg...at 24.6 rpg.
Highest rebounding game in playoff history, at 41 (and against RUSSELL BTW).

The highest FG% and TS% in an NBA Finals game of 25+ points (.900 FG%, and an .876 TS%.)

The ONLY THREE 50+ point games in "must win" playoff games, by a GOAT in NBA history (including a 50-35 game against RUSSELL.)

A 45-27-3 .741 FG%, .680 TS% Finals game. Oh, and it was also a "must win" Finals game.

Held PEAK Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the NBA, to post-season series of .481 and .457 (and only .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series.) Oh, and in their two series clinching games, Chamberlain outshot KAJ from the field by a .545 (18-33) to .383 (23-60) margin.

Had a KNOWN 590 blocked shots in his KNOWN 81 (of his 160 playoff) games....which is more than Duncan's 568 in his 241 playoff games.

In his two game seven's of his Finals, Wilt outcored his two HOF peers, Russell and Reed, by a 19.5 ppg to 5.0 ppg margin; outrebounded them by a 25.5 to 12.0 rpg margin; and outshot them from the floor by a .708 to .333 margin.

Outshot his HOF opposing centers in his six Finals by a collective .559 to .439 margin.

The REALITY is...Wilt holds FAR more post-season records than either Wade the Fade, or the Court Jester.

[plowking]

LAZ, no one reads the bullshit you type.

The thread asked for a simple ranking of who you think is the best. Put it in order, or don't. No one needs your big ass wall of text.