Lebron james: Im chasing Jordan

[Kenomax]

*sigh* you guys just don't get it or refuse to grasp.

On paper, Bron appears to be on par with MJ. But he's nowhere near him when it comes to skills.

Not only that but Bron's stats don't hold the same value as MJ's.

Bron has never faced the same amount of double and triple team coverage as MJ.

He's never been played as physical with the same amount of consistency as MJ.

Shit, the defensive coverage Bron receives would be a cakewalk for MJ.

Bron is a great player but he falls short when one looks at the game and not the stats sheet and highlight clips.

Anyone is allowed to have his opinion, but none of this things you wrote can be proven. We should keep discussing facts rather than invented stories.

[Lebron23]

I am very impressed with LeBron's statements. Some guys got lazy after they won their 3rd NBA title/3rd finals MVP.

Lebron wants to surpass MJ. I smell another regular season MVP Award.

[Da_Realist]

Deadly post game
Deadly midrange
Unguardable fadeaway
Explosive first step
Unmatched creativity around the basket
Fearless
Clutch
Ultra-competitive
Supremely athletic yet technically flawless
Reliable jumpshot
Ballhawk
Deadly on-ball defender
Dominant offensively on-ball and off-ball

This pretty much sums up MJ's game without ever mentioning stats, accolades, rings, etc.

What is deadly (a 10) about Lebron's game? Or is he a 7 or 8 in everything?

[NBAGOAT]

Deadly post game
Deadly midrange
Unguardable fadeaway
Explosive first step
Unmatched creativity around the basket
Fearless
Clutch
Ultra-competitive
Supremely athletic yet technically flawless
Reliable jumpshot
Ballhawk
Deadly on-ball defender
Dominant offensively on-ball and off-ball

This pretty much sums up MJ's game without ever mentioning stats, accolades, rings, etc.

What is deadly (a 10) about Lebron's game? Or is he a 7 or 8 in everything?

finishing ability, raw strength/power, passing/playmaking, open court ability, versatility on defense just to name the main ones. He definitely has areas he's a 10 in unless you're giving 10's in a category to only 1 or 2 guys.

[BlueandGold]

So Kobe was an actor too?

It's not the players fault, just like it's not Lebron's.

Everyone knows the 2010 finals was rigged to go 7 games. This last one I'm not sure but the Cavs got some calls to go their way down 3-1. If anything blame Silver snake. And as far as getting 6 rings.. it's possible. Jordan won his last 3 after 30 (although he got amazing help and coaching).

The one area Lebron absolutely can't catch up is his finals record.. which is still 3-7, or whatever it is, as well as Jordan's ability to make the shot when EVERYTHING was on the line. I think that's the difference between these two recent generations.. you just have to commend someone who wants that level of pressure put on them versus someone who at times seems to shy away from it.

[Da_Realist]

He definitely has areas he's a 10 in unless you're giving 10's in a category to only 1 or 2 guys.

A 10 means no one is better. Maybe some others are on par but a case can be made that no one in a reasonable comparison is clearly better.

[HurricaneKid]

*sigh* you guys just don't get it or refuse to grasp.

On paper, Bron appears to be on par with MJ. But he's nowhere near him when it comes to skills.

Not only that but Bron's stats don't hold the same value as MJ's.

Bron has never faced the same amount of double and triple team coverage as MJ.

He's never been played as physical with the same amount of consistency as MJ.

Shit, the defensive coverage Bron receives would be a cakewalk for MJ.

Bron is a great player but he falls short when one looks at the game and not the stats sheet and highlight clips.

This is an INCREDIBLY absurd post.

In order for teams to double MJ they literally had to almost announce that they were doubling him, were not permitted to not come all the way over to double or to veer of course or it would have been illegal defense. Defenses were forced to defend Rodman at the 3 pt line or it would have been illegal defense. The league refused to allow defenses to defend because they knew it would impact their stars in an enormous way. Now a days you see guys like Iggy winning FMVP because defenses would prefer to buttress key players with their defensive resources rather than defend lesser offensive players. Its a completely different game now and the elite players have absolutely had their contributions minimized by defenses that can stop them if it wants to. That just wasn't the case in Jordan's day.

MJ absolutely had a bigger impact. But a big portion of that was the age he played in. MJs impact would be far less today than it was when defenses weren't permitted to defend him. ISO ball is now the most inefficient brand of basketball possible. Back then that's almost exclusively what was played.

[Da_Realist]

This is an INCREDIBLY absurd post.

In order for teams to double MJ they literally had to almost announce that they were doubling him, were not permitted to not come all the way over to double or to veer of course or it would have been illegal defense. Defenses were forced to defend Rodman at the 3 pt line or it would have been illegal defense. The league refused to allow defenses to defend because they knew it would impact their stars in an enormous way. Now a days you see guys like Iggy winning FMVP because defenses would prefer to buttress key players with their defensive resources rather than defend lesser offensive players. Its a completely different game now and the elite players have absolutely had their contributions minimized by defenses that can stop them if it wants to. That just wasn't the case in Jordan's day.

MJ absolutely had a bigger impact. But a big portion of that was the age he played in. MJs impact would be far less today than it was when defenses weren't permitted to defend him. ISO ball is now the most inefficient brand of basketball possible. Back then that's almost exclusively what was played.

MJ having less impact today? No credible person that has played or watched any basketball more than 6 months would agree with you.

You just say whatever you want on the internet...

[HurricaneKid]

MJ having less impact today? No credible person that has played or watched any basketball more than 6 months would agree with you.

You just say whatever you want on the internet...

I have played, coached, and officiated at higher levels than 99% of this board. And almost certainly you.

If you believe that it was easier to score with Rodman's defender stuck on him above the break at the 3 point line than helping defend the drive at a strong side help position, there is simply no helping you.

Which comes as no real shock.

But keeping spewing stupid on the internet.

[Da_Realist]

I have played, coached, and officiated at higher levels than 99% of this board. And almost certainly you.

If you believe that it was easier to score with Rodman's defender stuck on him above the break at the 3 point line than helping defend the drive at a strong side help position, there is simply no helping you.

Which comes as no real shock.

But keeping spewing stupid on the internet.

Yeah, right

[HurricaneKid]

Yeah, right

Answer me this quick question then.

If Rodman was at the right wing in 96 at the 3 pt line where was his defender? If Rodman were at the right wing today at the 3 pt line, where would his defender be?

[Da_Realist]

Answer me this quick question then.

If Rodman was at the right wing in 96 at the 3 pt line where was his defender? If Rodman were at the right wing today at the 3 pt line, where would his defender be?

Why would Rodman spend so much time at the 3 pt line for it to matter?

[Sarcastic]

Why would Rodman spend so much time at the 3 pt line for it to matter?

Because Steve Kerr was fighting for post position.

[HurricaneKid]

Why would Rodman spend so much time at the 3 pt line for it to matter?

So you never watched basketball in the 90s. Good to know.

Rodman spent time at the 3 point line because back then his defender was required to be above the FT line on the side of the floor his man was on. So Rodman at the 3 pt line meant a big was at least 18 feet from the basket. If he wanted to double team a player it HAD to be the player with the ball and he had to go directly to him.

That's pretty much ALL the Jazz did was run Stockton/Malone PNRs with Hornecek filling the void should a double ever occur.

The game is completely different. Strategically its far beyond even checkers to chess. Keep in mind, before Bird/Magic the NBA Finals were on tape delay. The NBA WANTED superstars and making it impossible for defenses to stop its best players was built into the rules.

[Kenomax]

MJ having less impact today? No credible person that has played or watched any basketball more than 6 months would agree with you.

You just say whatever you want on the internet...

Why is that? I think It's obvious league is at completely different level now and Jordan wouldn't be even close to stats, impact he had in his era.