Scoring is #1 category since teams win w/ less rebs or ast, but never w/ less pts

[NZStreetBaller]

Still amazes me jordans ppg increase in the playoffs.

Fun fact: jordan is the darkest skinned person on the top 10 list. Coincidence?? I think not!!

[pauk]

True, scoring is #1 category... but you are thinking only of INDIVIDUAL SCORING.... you are not talking about scoring with all ways of point accountability on your teams boxscore... which means points that you can account for by more than just individual scoring.... team score > individual score...

1 defensive rebound saves your team from potential 2-3 points from opponents (2nd chance points), thats being accountable for denying 2-3 points for the opponents... steals & blocks work the same way...

1 offensive rebound gives your team potential 2-3 points (2nd chance points), 1 offensive rebound can account for 2-3 more points for your team, even if YOU didnt score it you gave the opportunity hence you were also accountable for those points on your teams boxscore...

1 assist means being directly accountable for 2-3 points on your teams boxscore... there are players who could create easiest shots for teammates out of nothing, if he didnt do that they wouldnt be getting those easy shots... sometimes a pass doesnt count as an assist even tho it should, like when you pass to a wideopen teammate under the basket who gets fouled (who would have scored 2 points & given you the assist anyways) and hits all his shots at the FT line anyways, 1-3 points....

[MintBerryCrunch]

Ok, settle down spaz.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

OP is the type of retard who'd take prime Brandon Jennings over prime Tyson Chandler.

[AirBonner]

Ordan never beat a 73 win team tho

[3ball]

Still amazes me jordans ppg increase in the playoffs.

Fun fact: jordan is the darkest skinned person on the top 10 list. Coincidence?? I think not!!

Playoffs (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.9 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Playoffs (Per 100 Possessions):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 2.1 oreb.. 9.4 dreb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Finals (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"][COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 48.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"][COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 reb.. 7.2 apg.. 4.1 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Jordan scored 20-30% more with better efficiency, and only 1 less assist with less turnovers.. And Jordan got more offensive rebounds, [COLOR="DarkRed"]which means that Lebron's only area of advantage is defensive rebounds[/COLOR].

OP is the type of retard who'd take prime Brandon Jennings over prime Tyson Chandler.

Jennings and Chandler have different roles, whereas this thread is comparing #1 option wings (MJ, Lebron).. For #1 options, scoring is the most important category.

Similarly, scoring is the most important category for TEAMS, since they can win with less rebounds or assists, but never with less scoring.. And since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession.
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[AirBonner]

Jennings and Chandler have different roles, whereas this thread is comparing #1 options (MJ, Lebron).. For #1 options, scoring is the most important category.

Similarly, scoring is the most important category for TEAMS, since they can win with less rebounds or assists, but never with less scoring.. And since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession.

Ordan would be a slightly more efficient derozan in today's game.

[3ball]

Ordan would be a slightly more efficient derozan in today's game.

Derozan can't jump off 2 feet like Jordan:










Derozan can't jump off 1 foot like Jordan:











Derozan isn't nearly as quick laterally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QJwQZHNc4&t=5m25s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ7iGPAW4pM&t=2m48s




And Derozan can't shoot like Jordan:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][color="navy"]NBA.COM'S STATS ON
"MIDRANGE" EFFICIENCY
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR](all shots inside 3-pt line but outside paint)[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].......................[/COLOR]Midrange Efficiency .



Derozan. 2016:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 37.5%.. 183/488


[COLOR="darkRed"]M Jordan. 1997:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 48.9%.. 588/1202[/COLOR]
[COLOR="darkRed"]M Jordan. 1998:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 43.2%.. 476/1101[/COLOR]



Jordan is the only superathlete [COLOR="Red"]EVER[/COLOR] to be a goat shooter as well (from either midrange or 3-point range)

Otoh, Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler ALL have sub-par 3-point and midrange efficiency, but they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows good athletes easier access to the rim.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he had goat midrange efficiency, even better than Curry's, which gives him a massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.. MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism, with better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.. That's the goat

[sdot_thadon]

That idiotic moment where you fail to realize assists = points.

[CavsLebronMo]

[jlip]

Individual scoring is not the same thing as team scoring. There are several accounts of players leading the league in scoring on losing teams including MJ.

[CavsLebronMo]

[jlip]

From another thread:

[QUOTE=jlip]I did a spreadsheet showing the statistical loads (pts, rbs, & asts) for MJ and Lebron in the Finals. The numbers are the percentages of their entire teams

[3ball]

From another thread:

MJ scored 20-30% more, with only 1 less assist and less turnovers.. He also got more offensive rebounds, so Lebron's only area of advantage is defensive rebounds:

Playoffs (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.9 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Playoffs (Per 100 Possessions):

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.4 pts.. 2.1 oreb.. 9.4 dreb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.7 PER[/COLOR]


Finals (Per Game):

[COLOR="DarkRed"][COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 48.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"][COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 reb.. 7.2 apg.. 4.1 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.1 fg[/COLOR][/COLOR]

[3ball]

From another thread:

Your stats don't include turnovers, which negate Lebron's tiny assist edge.. Meanwhile, Jordan scored more with better efficiency and got more offensive rebounds, so the only area where Lebron leads is defensive rebounds - that's it.

But most importantly, SCORING is the most critical category for #1 options like MJ and Lebron, and also for TEAMS, since they can win with less rebounds or assists, but never with less scoring.

And since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency advantage is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like time of possession.