We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?

[3ball]

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Jordan won his last ring only 6 years before Lebron entered the league, so both guys played against many of the same players and in the modern era... Otoh, Bill Russell never played against anyone Jordan faced, so Russell didn't play in Jordan's era or the modern era.

Specifically, 35-year old Jordan won all the awards in 1998 over the best players Lebron ever faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett - who were all-stars in 98'), while also facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too).. Jordan's clean sweep of the awards in 1998 also beat out Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone and more.. These guys are obviously equal or better than today's players, which proves that Jordan played in the modern era.

Since they both played in the modern era and against many of the same players, we can compare their ring count and fmvp count [COLOR="navy"]DIRECTLY[/COLOR], which means Lebron's individual and team accomplishments in the playoffs are half of Jordan's (he has half the rings and fmvp's).
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[theaussieguy]

the shine that once radiated outward from Jordan, quickly declined as the world demanded something more. A ruthless, borderline-psychopathic sports star, would soon be an archaic and unwanted form of heroism sort by the wider public, and a new era ushered in stars of both extraordinary talent, but more importantly, humanity. Little did we know that the momentum of the human rights movement would fundamentally change Western culture at its core and seep into the most competitive arena of all, professional sports. This change is personified in no better form by no other than Lebron James.

James, now 68, Father of three and jokingly a full time Grandfather, remarks from his Los Angeles home "coming into the league, you know, you could already see the changes.... guys from other teams would you know, talk, joke around before the game. Sometimes you would even go out to dinner with the other team".

someone keep going with this for me pls, im too lazy

[warriorfan]

They both played in the modern era, however LeBron was the one who colluded

To put LeBron's Collusion into perspective with Jordan

LeBron left his home team to join the 2nd and 4th leaders in PER (D.Wade and Chris Bosh)

What LeBron did was like if MJ left his hometown team to join Scottie Pippen AND Shaquile Oneal! (The 4th and 2nd leaders in PER of the 1994 season)

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan did not play in the facebook era, so no.

[3ball]

Jordan did not play in the facebook era, so no.

Best players Jordan faced:

1. Kareem
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Shaq

Best players Lebron faced:

1. Shaq*
2. Duncan*
3. Kobe*
4. Garnett*

*Jordan won every major award over these players in 1998 (when each guy was an all-star)


[COLOR="Navy"]As you can see, Jordan dominated the best players Lebron ever faced, while facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced... [/COLOR]

[bigkingsfan]

MJ era


Lebron

[3ball]

MJ era


Lebron

Best [COLOR="Red"]players[/COLOR] Jordan faced:

1. Kareem
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Shaq

Best [COLOR="Red"]players[/COLOR] Lebron faced:

1. Shaq*
2. Duncan*
3. Kobe*
4. Garnett*

*Jordan won every major award over these players in 1998 (when each guy was an all-star)


[COLOR="Navy"]As you can see, Jordan dominated the best players Lebron ever faced, while facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced... [/COLOR]

[K Xerxes]

the shine that once radiated outward from Jordan, quickly declined as the world demanded something more. A ruthless, borderline-psychopathic sports star, would soon be an archaic and unwanted form of heroism sort by the wider public, and a new era ushered in stars of both extraordinary talent, but more importantly, humanity. Little did we know that the momentum of the human rights movement would fundamentally change Western culture at its core and seep into the most competitive arena of all, professional sports. This change is personified in no better form by no other than Lebron James.

James, now 68, Father of three and jokingly a full time Grandfather, remarks from his Los Angeles home "coming into the league, you know, you could already see the changes.... guys from other teams would you know, talk, joke around before the game. Sometimes you would even go out to dinner with the other team".

someone keep going with this for me pls, im too lazy

[Hey Yo]

LeBron at age 31:
3 rings 4MVP's and 3FMVP's

MJ at age 31:
only played the last 17 games of the season (he cameback after quitting the year before while under contract) and tried to win a ring the cheapest way possible....sneak in the backdoor ..aka..join the marathon in the last mile and act like you started from the beginning.
3 rings 3MVP's and 3FMVP's

[3ball]

LeBron at age 31:
3 rings 4MVP's and 3FMVP's


MJ at age 31:
3 rings 3MVP's and 3FMVP's

Stats Thru 31 Years Old:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN. PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON. PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER.. 0.238 ws/48


[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Jordan averages 7 more ppg in the playoffs and 9 more in the Finals on far better efficiency, while averaging equal or greater assists.. It's not even close - take this L boss.[/COLOR]
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[TheReal Kendall]

Modern Era is the 2000s.

So why you not using the wizard's Jordan?

[3ball]

Modern Era is the 2000s.

Based on what - your arbitrary opinion?

Jordan won his last ring only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and both guys played against many of the same players - this means that both guys played in modern era.

Otoh, Jordan DIDN'T play against anyone Bill Russell played against, so Russell didn't play in Jordan's era or the modern era.

So why you not using the wizard's Jordan?

Because I don't need to.

In 1998, the 35-year old Jordan won MVP, all-star MVP, FMVP, scoring title and championship over the 4 best players that Lebron ever played against - Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett (each guy was all-star in 98') - and also Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, Hakeem, and more.

So it's clear that BOTH guys played in the modern era - accordingly, their ring count and fmvp count can be compared directly, which means Lebron is only halfway to achieving Jordan's team and individual accomplishments in the playoffs (Lebron has half the rings and fmvp's).

[jstern]

Modern Era is the 2000s.

So why you not using the wizard's Jordan?

But wasn't the early 2000s much weaker, particularly in the east than a couple of years earlier?

[TheReal Kendall]

So you basically saying your opinion is the only one that matters?

The 90s isn't apart of the modern Era.

@jstern what's your point?

[Hey Yo]

Based on what - your arbitrary opinion?

Jordan won his last ring only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and both guys played against many of the same players - this means that both guys played in modern era.

Otoh, Jordan DIDN'T play against anyone Bill Russell played against, so Russell didn't play in Jordan's era or the modern era.



Because I don't need to.

In 1998, the 35-year old Jordan won MVP, all-star MVP, FMVP, scoring title and championship over the 4 best players that Lebron ever played against - Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett (each guy was all-star in 98') - and also Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, Hakeem, and more.

So it's clear that BOTH guys played in the modern era - accordingly, their ring count and fmvp count can be compared directly, which means Lebron is only halfway to achieving Jordan's team and individual accomplishments in the playoffs (Lebron has half the rings and fmvp's).

All the guys you named never took almost 2yrs off to rest and get fresh legs like MJ did while under contract, in his prime.



LeBron also won't take 2yrs off either.

MJ may have 6 rings but he'll always be remembered for resting for nearly 2 seasons then coming back to win 3 more with a super team.