Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq, and here are the numbers to PROVE it

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[COLOR=Gray]Congradulations! You've just invalidated Magic Johnson and Bill Russel's ENITER CAREER![/COLOR]

[COLOR=Teal] No. I've pointed out two facts which helped Duncan become a winner that Shaq didn't have, and I believe them to be pertinent to this thread.[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=Teal] No. I've pointed out two facts which helped Duncan become a winner that Shaq didn't have, and I believe them to be pertinent to this thread.[/COLOR]

Shaq also played with Kobe and Wade, both obviously better than any of Duncan's teammates.

Phil Jackson= 9 titles

Greg Poppovich= 3 titles

Any other baseless arguments?

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[COLOR=Gray]Shaq also played with Kobe and Wade, both obviously better than any of Duncan's teammates.

Phil Jackson= 9 titles

Greg Poppovich= 3 titles

Any other baseless arguments?[/COLOR]

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I meant during that five-year period.

But I'd have to say, the Spurs organization has been one of the best, if not THE BEST organization in the NBA during the last 10 years. And it certainly has been the most consistent.
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Oh you're right, we must cripple a player due to his stats. Russells 11 rings, pshhh whatever, it was back then right?

Dominant: Providing superior influence, or control. Proving the most prominant/accending.

That describes Wilt better than anyone.

Shaq or Wilt both can be argued as the most dominant ever. Not that hard...you dont have to slight Shaq because he is being compared to Tim Duncan.

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shaq had penny in his first 5 years along with a pretty damn good orlando cast.

to call drob a "superstar" while he was with duncan is really reaching. he was in the twilight of his career when duncan arrived. yes, he was effective, but hardly a superstar.

shaq has played with penny, kobe, and wade. i still dont understand why someone would take shaqs 3-5 years of dominance over tim duncan's CAREER of dominance. not to mention all of shaqs antics and drama that get in the way.

tim duncan is a professional and a winner at that. end of story.

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shaq had penny in his first 5 years along with a pretty damn good orlando cast.

to call drob a "superstar" while he was with duncan is really reaching. he was in the twilight of his career when duncan arrived. yes, he was effective, but hardly a superstar.

shaq has played with penny, kobe, and wade. i still dont understand why someone would take shaqs 3-5 years of dominance over tim duncan's CAREER of dominance. not to mention all of shaqs antics and drama that get in the way.

tim duncan is a professional and a winner at that. end of story.

Avgs Career 26ppg at 58% FG. Postseason 27ppg 56% FG.

3 times came close to avg 30ppg in the reg season. Avg over 30ppg 3 times in the postseason for his career. Thats dominance.

Since Shaq has been in the NBA what NBA Center has come close to avg 30ppg+ for a regular season? How about 30 ppg+ in the postseason? List them all. If you cant keep your mouth shut.

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Avgs Career 26ppg at 58% FG. Postseason 27ppg 56% FG.

3 times came close to avg 30ppg in the reg season. Avg over 30ppg 3 times in the postseason for his career. Thats dominance.

Since Shaq has been in the NBA what NBA Center has come close to avg 30ppg+ for a regular season? How about 30 ppg+ in the postseason? List them all. If you cant keep your mouth shut.

See career averages for both players; they don't lie, no matter how much you wish they would in favor of Shaq.

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Avgs Career 26ppg at 58% FG. Postseason 27ppg 56% FG.

3 times came close to avg 30ppg in the reg season. Avg over 30ppg 3 times in the postseason for his career. Thats dominance.

Since Shaq has been in the NBA what NBA Center has come close to avg 30ppg+ for a regular season? How about 30 ppg+ in the postseason? List them all. If you cant keep your mouth shut.

I think DRob's output of 29.9 in 1995 was higher than any of Shaq's regular season average. Hakeem has averaged 30+ PPG in the PO more than once since Shaq has been in the league.

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[COLOR=SlateGray]shaq had penny in his first 5 years along with a pretty damn good orlando cast.

to call drob a "superstar" while he was with duncan is really reaching. he was in the twilight of his career when duncan arrived. yes, he was effective, but hardly a superstar.

shaq has played with penny, kobe, and wade. i still dont understand why someone would take shaqs 3-5 years of dominance over tim duncan's CAREER of dominance. not to mention all of shaqs antics and drama that get in the way.

tim duncan is a professional and a winner at that. end of story.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=Teal]DRob averaged 22, 11, 3 & 3 on 51 FG% in Duncan's rookie year. Shaq almost won an MVP putting up similar numbers. He might not have been a superstar in terms of productivity, but he was no ordinary star either. But that's not here nor there. My point was clear. Duncan had an accomplished veteran presense, and a big man no less, to guide his path, alongside a more competent coach/management during the first five years of his career, which we all agree about.

And in terms of winning, Duncan would not have won more than Shaq had he played against the likes of Jordan, Hakeem etc.. if he was playing for Orlando. And Shaq proved he's a winner four times playing for two different franchises.

And Shaq has always been dominant (prior to his recent decline). That's at least 10 years of dominance, and that includes the likes of Duncan as well.[/COLOR]

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See career averages for both players; they don't lie, no matter how much you wish they would in favor of Shaq.

Duncan hasnt been the scorer Shaq has been in both the regular and postseason. Fact not fiction. Its called total domination. Duncan has never been on Shaq's level in scoring.

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[COLOR=Teal]DRob averaged 22, 11, 3 & 3 on 51 FG% in Duncan's rookie year. Shaq almost won an MVP putting up similar numbers. He might not have been a superstar in terms of productivity, but he was no ordinary star either. But that's not here nor there. My point was clear. Duncan had an accomplished veteran presense, and a big man no less, to guide his path, alongside a more competent coach/management during the first five years of his career, which we all agree about.

And in terms of winning, Duncan would not have won more than Shaq had he played against the likes of Jordan, Hakeem etc.. if he was playing for Orlando. And Shaq proved he's a winner four times playing for two different franchises.

And Shaq has always been dominant (prior to his recent decline). That's at least 10 years of dominance, and that includes the likes of Duncan as well.[/COLOR]

Tim Duncan beat the Lakers enroute to 2 titles, Shaq beat Spurs enroute to 2 titles. Where is this so called dominance?

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