why do people on here think losing in the finals

[Mr. Jabbar]

Not in the the east you stupid fvck.

[Born Sinner]

Since when do celtics fans dick ride lebron?

Kinda strange but i doubt op is a real celtics fan.

[plowking]

Apparently beating a 60+ win Hawk team is a cakewalk last season.

The fact that most people are saying 2/7 shows that they think Bron's team is an underdog if they get to the final, and will lose. Hence if he does win, makes it all the more remarkable. This all just using their own logic.

[knicksman]

i have no problem with 2/6 actually. Its the finals to mvp ratio i have a problem with which tells me that hes overrated. Just like wilt and oscar, robertson, iverson, rose and other players who plays like him. They are the system instead of being part of the system thats why they have inflated stats but plays losing ball. So actually they are selfish coz they would rather sacrifice teams for individual accolades. But they have high apg tho so they are unselfish. LOL only gullible idiots believe that shit.

[NZStreetBaller]

Losing in the finals isnt worse then losing in the playoffs. But losing in the finals is worse then winning in the finals. 5>2

[3ball]

And last year he lost Irving and love and they still managed to win 2 games.

Even WITH Lebron's defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, and even WITH Lebron shooting an abysmal 39%, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.

Can u blame Lebron for losing the 07 finals

Lebron deserves blame - despite his 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.

Not much Lebron could've done in 07 finals

Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:

[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals:[/COLOR][COLOR="blue"] 22 ppg on 35%[/COLOR]

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 48%[/COLOR]

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]27 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] WCF: [COLOR="Red"]29 ppg on 53%[/COLOR]

The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:

[COLOR="White"]....................... [/COLOR]midrange jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 3-point jumpshot FG%[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals .............[COLOR="red"]14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2[/COLOR]
Dirk 2006 WCF ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3

Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.

In 14 the Spurs were just a better team that year.

Lebron deserves blame again - his defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3, because he's weak with no perseverance - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - [COLOR="Navy"]that's a 15 point swing[/COLOR].

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

[3ball]

And last year he lost Irving and love and they still managed to win 2 games.

The GOAT impact on a [COLOR="blue"]LOTTERY[/COLOR] team

In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a lottery roster and headed nowhere - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. Massive difference.

Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.

Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here.

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:

"[COLOR="navy"]When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting[/COLOR]".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team

[ImKobe]

Because if your team is good enough to beat everyone in your conference, you should be good enough to win the series as an all-time great player...granted some years one conference may be way better than the other and the EC teams in recent years usually get beat down in these series...

But 2/6 is the argument against the stans who rave about Lebron making 5 straight Finals and 6 for his career. They think that puts him on the same level as Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Jordan, because of the amount of Finals he has led his teams to...when in reality he's always played in the weaker conference, where you can make the Finals without facing a single 50-win team.

So when you see this graphic, don't be surprised..



What does this say about Lebron's Finals appearances?