The final stats: Curry's 2016 vs. Jordan

[ShawkFactory]

Don't play dumb - Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load, as shown below - this is the case with ALL players, not just Curry:


[COLOR="White"]....................[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR[/COLOR]

[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0..... 39.3

[COLOR="Navy"]Since Jordan reached the holy grail of basketball (winning championship and FMVP) [COLOR="DarkRed"]while carrying a bigger load[/COLOR], who cares about efficiency.[/COLOR]

Btw, this notion that Curry is on Jordan's level due to efficiency alone is ludicrous - if that was the case, then Tyson Chandler, Ibaka, Dell Curry and Reggie Miller would also be on Jordan's level..

Iverson in 01 > Curry in 16 then.

[3ball]

Iverson in 01 > Curry in 16 then

Iverson didn't defeat prime Shaq and win championship and FMVP

LIKE JORDAN DID

pretty big difference.. so your post was a feeble, toothless retort

[tpols]

Iverson in 01 > Curry in 16 then.

i dont see how proportion of points scored is the best way to guage offensive brilliance. Its obviously going to favor scorers that likes to chuck on slower, defensive teams , iverson, rose, mj etc. types, and penalize those who space, create, and facilitate for their teammates Curry, Bird, Dirk, etc

[Smoke117]

i dont see how proportion of points scored is the best way to guage offensive brilliance. Its obviously going to favor scorers that likes to chuck on slower, defensive teams , iverson, rose, mj etc. types, and penalize those who space, create, and facilitate for their teammates Curry, Bird, Dirk, etc

MJ didn't play anything like Rose and Iverson...

[navy]

Iverson didn't defeat prime Shaq and win championship and FMVP

LIKE JORDAN DID

pretty big difference.. so your post was a feeble, toothless retort

Didnt Jordan lose the series for his team the year before that?

[3ball]

i dont see how proportion of points scored is the best way to guage offensive brilliance.

Proportion of points scored reflects scoring burden, and Jordan's was much higher than Curry's, as the stats show.

And obviously, if a player's scoring burden is higher, that puts downward pressure on his efficiency..

Ultimately, since Jordan reached the holy grail of basketball (winning championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load, who cares about efficiency.

Its obviously going to favor scorers that likes to chuck on slower, defensive teams , iverson, rose, mj etc. types, and penalize those who space, create, and facilitate for their teammates Curry, Bird, Dirk, etc

Creating spacing by shooting 3-pointers doesn't affect the size of a player's scoring burden - there's zero correlation there at all, but you just pulled it out your ass because it sounded good to you.

[tpols]

Proportion of points scored reflects scoring burden, and Jordan's was much higher than Curry's, as the stats show.



Creating spacing by shooting 3-pointers doesn't affect the size of a player's scoring burden - there's zero correlation there at all, but you just pulled it out your ass because it sounded good to you.

spacing allows others to do better, which in turn would lower star players proportion.


it's kinda like.. the same gap that exists between jordan and lebron in making others better, you know the whole reducing assist rates and such youre always talking about, that same level gap also exists between curry and jordan, and is obviously canyon sized between curry and bran.

[3ball]

spacing allows others to do better, which in turn would lower star players proportion.

When teammates perform well, that allows the team to achieve the highest margin of victory and SRS like Jordan's Bulls and Curry's Warriors did.. It doesn't lower the star's stats.

The stats of Jordan's teammates (Pippen, Grant, Kukoc) were the same with him or without him, showing that they played to capacity alongside him despite his GOAT scoring.. In any given year, they would play between 90-100% capacity alongside Jordan, compared to their 1994 stats without Jordan.

Otoh, many stars cause teammates to play at literally 50-60% capacity, like many of Lebron's teammates.

it's kinda like.. the same gap that exists between jordan and lebron in making others better, you know the whole reducing assist rates and such

Except Jordan didn't reduce his teammates assists - you're making shit up again:


[COLOR="White"]................................................[/COLOR]APG, ASSIST %


Pippen [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="white"]...[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93':[COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR] 6.5, 24.5%
Pippen [COLOR="Navy"]w/out[/COLOR] Jordan 94'-95':[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 5.4, 23.7%
Pippen [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98':[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 5.8, 25.1%



As you can see, Pippen's assists WENT UP alongside Jordan.. Jordan's off-ball game was a reservior of assists for teammates to rack up off him - he was a walking assist waiting to happen for teammates.

You're confusing Jordan with Lebron, who CRATERED his teammates assists:


[COLOR="White"]................................................[/COLOR]APG, ASSIST %[COLOR="White"].......[/COLOR] ASSISTED RATE


Wade [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 6.6, 34.8%[COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR]29.2% [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<---- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
Wade [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 4.7, 25.5%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]40.3%

Irving [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="white"]....[/COLOR] 5.8, 33.2%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]31.9%
Irving [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="white"]...[/COLOR] Lebron[COLOR="white"]..[/COLOR] (2015):[COLOR="white"].....[/COLOR] 5.0, 25.6%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]32.7%

Bosh [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]55.8%
Bosh [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR][COLOR="white"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 1.6, 8.0%[COLOR="white"] ...................[/COLOR]71.6%

Love [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (09'-14'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]62.7%
Love [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR] [COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]Lebron (15'-16'):[COLOR="white"]......[/COLOR] 2.3, 11.4%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]80.0%

Mo Will [COLOR="Navy"]before[/COLOR] Lebron (05'-08'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.7, 30.2%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]39.2%
Mo Will [COLOR="DarkRed"]with[/COLOR]... Lebron (09'-10'):[COLOR="white"]..[/COLOR] 4.6, 22.3%[COLOR="white"]..................[/COLOR]47.6%

[tpols]

The stats of Jordan's teammates (Pippen, Grant, Kukoc) were the same with him or without him, showing that they played to capacity alongside him despite his GOAT scoring..

exactly .. they were about the same w/ or w/o MJ. Draymond Green before Curry was just a defensive role player, and got opportunity to expand his assist rate / playmaking 1000% because of the spacing Curry generates along with his passing ability.

it's much more deadly to force doubles as far away from the basket as possible because it essentially creates a halfcourt fastbreak. Curry's gravity is unprecedented, and his individual efficiency blows MJ's away.


Well see if he can keep it up for playoffs, if so you will have witnessed GOAT offense my friend.

[KungFuJoe]

I was on the fence before this thread, but op has convinced me.

Curry > MJ

[Spurs m8]

3ball with another GAME.SET.MATCH

[3ball]

exactly .. they were about the same w/ or w/o MJ.

No - Pippen's assists were 6.5 with Jordan, and 5.4 without, as the stats show above.

Also, starting from Pippen's rookie year, his assists skyrocketed each year under Jordan's off-ball game and tutaledge just like Draymond's have under Curry's - it's the exact same thing.

But neither Draymond nor Pippen would've blossomed under Lebron's ball-dominance - he would've made them play-finishers just like Bosh and everyone would say how Lebron "carries" everyone and has no help.. It's a pathetic lack of understanding of the game by the media and fans alike.

his individual efficiency blows MJ's away.

Not at all - Curry's ORtg (points-per-possession) is 125, just like Jordan in 1991, and his PER is lower, 31.5 to Jordan's 31.7.

Also, Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load, as stats show.. Since Jordan reached the holy grail of basketball (winning championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load, who cares about efficiency..

If Curry had a bigger load on BOTH sides of the ball like MJ, his efficiency would be lower like Jordan's.

Well see if he can keep it up for playoffs, if so you will have witnessed GOAT offense my friend.

Exactly - his regular season compares to Jordan's 1991 regular season, but it doesn't compare to Jordan's 1991 POSTSEASON:

Per 100 Possessions

[COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..[COLOR="White"]4[/COLOR] 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]CURRY [COLOR="White"]4[/COLOR] 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..[COLOR="White"]4[/COLOR] 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48[/COLOR]

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[ShawkFactory]

Iverson didn't defeat prime Shaq and win championship and FMVP

LIKE JORDAN DID

pretty big difference.. so your post was a feeble, toothless retort

What?

By the logic you are using, 01 Iverson > 16 Curry, which is who we are talking about here.

My post had nothing to do with Jordan.

[hiphopfan777]

Cant compare. Different positions

[Boogey]

jordan isn't as good because he shoots closer to the basket. curry doesn't need to get close