Bird an Bron at age 30

[RRR3]

Are we still pretending Bird is better than LeBron?

[Gileraracer]

Are we still pretending Bird is better than LeBron?

At least Bird could shoot. So yeppp

[aj1987]

That's the same minutes that Jordan had played heading into 1998 playoffs - so let's compare OLD Jordan's 1998 playoff stats to PRIME Lebron's 2016 regular season stats:

[COLOR="darkRed"]MJ. 1998 PLAYOFFS: 32.4 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 3.5 apg.. 2.1 tov.. 1.5 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 46.2 fg.. 54.5 ts.. 117 ORtg.. 28.1 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="navy"]LBJ 2016 REG SEAS: 25.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.2 tov.. 1.4 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 51.2 fg.. 57.9 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.1 PER[/COLOR]


No comparison - old Jordan's stats were much better than prime Lebron's, and against much better competition (playoff comp)..

No one's talking about MJ, you brain-dead shit stain.

LeBron is better, BTW.

RS Per 36

LeBron - 25/8/7/2/1 on 58% TS 115 ORTG 102 DRTG
MJ - 27/5/3/2/1 on 53% TS 114 ORTG 100 DRTG

[RRR3]

At least Bird could shoot. So yeppp

LeBron could shoot too. The player he is now doesn't reflect the player he was at his best. Shooting doesn't really mean shit when LeBron was a clearly superior scorer in both the regular season and playoffs.

[senelcoolidge]

I thought Bird was some unathletic white guy yet he was a better shooter, rebounder, just as good a passer that played off the ball, and scorer. hmmm.

[3ball]

RS Per 36

LeBron - 25/8/7/2/1 on 58% TS 115 ORTG 102 DRTG
MJ - 27/5/3/2/1 on 53% TS 114 ORTG 100 DRTG

Lebron carries much smaller load:


[COLOR="White"]..........[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

LEBRON 2016... 31.4..... 36.8



Also, the Bulls were pursuing a 3-peat and half-assing the regular season, just like 1993 - that's why Jordan's playoff stats were so much better than his RS in those years.

Otoh, Lebron is pursuing his first ring in Cleveland and is playing much harder - his playoff stats will be the same as RS and much worse than MJ's obviously - here's their stats thru 45k minutes:

[COLOR="darkRed"]MJ. 1998 PLAYOFFS: 32.4 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 3.5 apg.. 2.1 tov.. 1.5 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 46.2 fg.. 54.5 ts.. 117 ORtg.. 28.1 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="navy"]LBJ 2016 REG SEAS: 25.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.2 tov.. 1.4 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 51.2 fg.. 57.9 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.1 PER[/COLOR]

[aj1987]

[COLOR="Magenta"]Lebron carries much smaller load:


[COLOR="White"]..........[/COLOR][COLOR="Magenta"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="Magenta"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

LEBRON 2016... 31.4..... 36.8



Also, the Bulls were pursuing a 3-peat and half-assing the regular season, just like 1993 - that's why Jordan's playoff stats were so much better than his RS in those years.

Otoh, Lebron is pursuing his first ring in Cleveland and is playing much harder - his playoff stats will be the same as RS and much worse than MJ's obviously - here's their stats thru 45k minutes:

MJ. 1998 PLAYOFFS: 32.4 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 3.5 apg.. 2.1 tov.. 46.2 fg.. 54.5 ts.. 117 ORtg.. 28.1 PER[/COLOR]

RS Per 36

LeBron - 25/8/7/2/1 on 58% TS 115 ORTG 102 DRTG
MJ - 27/5/3/2/1 on 53% TS 114 ORTG 100 DRTG

[3ball]

RS Per 36

LeBron - 25/8/7/2/1 on 58% TS 115 ORTG 102 DRTG
MJ - 27/5/3/2/1 on 53% TS 114 ORTG 100 DRTG

Lebron had played 43k minutes entering this season, which corresponds with Jordan entering 1998 playoffs:


[COLOR="darkRed"]MJ. 1998 PLAYOFFS: 32.4 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 3.5 apg.. 2.1 tov.. 1.5 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 46.2 fg.. 54.5 ts.. 117 ORtg.. 28.1 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="navy"]LBJ 2016 REG SEAS: 25.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.2 tov.. 1.4 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 51.2 fg.. 57.9 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.1 PER[/COLOR]


After 43k minutes, old Jordan's stats were much better against playoff teams than prime Lebron's are against regular season teams.

[aj1987]

[COLOR="Magenta"]Lebron had played 43k minutes entering this season, which corresponds with Jordan entering 1998 playoffs:


[COLOR="Magenta"]MJ. 1998 PLAYOFFS: 32.4 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 3.5 apg.. 2.1 tov.. 1.5 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 46.2 fg.. 54.5 ts.. 117 ORtg.. 28.1 PER[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Magenta"]LBJ 2016 REG SEAS: 25.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 apg.. 3.2 tov.. 1.4 spg.. 0.6 bpg.. 51.2 fg.. 57.9 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 27.1 PER[/COLOR]


After 43k minutes, old Jordan's stats were much better against playoff teams than prime Lebron's are against regular season teams.[/COLOR]

RS Per 36

LeBron - 25/8/7/2/1 on 58% TS 115 ORTG 102 DRTG
MJ - 27/5/3/2/1 on 53% TS 114 ORTG 100 DRTG

[3ball]

LeBron is better, BTW.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:[/COLOR]



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="Navy"]48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR]
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="navy"]47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg[/COLOR]


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show.

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats)... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.
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[Nash]

Just had to post how much this made me laugh earlier hahahah

thread?

[3ball]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:[/COLOR]



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="Navy"]48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR]
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="navy"]47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg[/COLOR]


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show.

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats)... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

^^^^ this silenced aj1987

[TYCRO]

^^^^ this silenced aj1987

Dude isn't even logged in. You have to give some time while they are logged in before accusing them of not responding. Not his fault it takes you 7 minutes to copy and paste from your bookmarked threads.

[3ball]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:[/COLOR]



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="Navy"]48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR]
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="navy"]47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg[/COLOR]


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show.

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats)... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

Dude isn't even logged in. You have to give some time while they are logged in [COLOR="Red"]before accusing them of not responding[/COLOR].

That post killed ALL Lebron fans who think he holds a candle to the GOAT

[TYCRO]

That post killed ALL Lebron fans who think he holds a candle to the GOAT

You realize this thread wasn't even about Jordan right? Most people tend to agree with you on this stuff, but you are too insecure to see that, so you talk about Jordan comparisons all the time anyway. You are the one who really loses in these scenarios.