Is Jimmy Butler better than D. Rose ever was?

[Solefade]

Jimmy Butler isn't as flashy, but he's a very explosive scorer and guards the other team's best player at a high level. He's also a lot more durable and plays a crapload of minutes.

yay or nay?

[ISHGoat]

Jimmy Butler isn't as flashy, but he's a very explosive scorer and guards the other team's best player at a high level. He's also a lot more durable and plays a crapload of minutes.

yay or nay?

I would certainly say so. Better defense. Equivalent offense.

[FKAri]

No. Doesn't pressure the defense anywhere near as much.

[Smoke117]

Yes...he's actually a two way player.

[AirBonner]

Jimmy Butler isn't as flashy, but he's a very explosive scorer and guards the other team's best player at a high level. He's also a lot more durable and plays a crapload of minutes.

yay or nay?

Yes. His impact far exceeds anything Rose has done. Rose was a manufactured star.

[LoneyROY7]

2011 Rose was much more dynamic. It's not that close.

Y'all on that recency bias...Rose had the Bulls as the top seed in the East in back-to-back seasons, and that was WITH the Heatles at their best.

[imdaman99]

Ummm no. Rose was explosive in 2011. He didn't follow up a dominant game by scoring 4 points.

[yeaaaman]

2011 Rose was much more dynamic. It's not that close.

Y'all on that recency bias...Rose had the Bulls as the top seed in the East in back-to-back seasons, and that was WITH the Heatles at their best.

I agree with the recency bias. It happens with all sorts of discussions though. Rose is getting underrated now because of how brutal he's been over the last few years with injuries.

Let's not act like Butler is Lebron out there. He's good but he still needs to get better if he want's to be a legit MVP candidate.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Anyone that watched the 2010-11 NBA season knows that is not true

It wasnt a stretch during the regular season to say Rose was the best player in the NBA

He was doing things that no one had ever seen before at a SPEED no one had ever seen before AND will never see before

He was an ATHLETIC GOD

If you were to make a NBA team with the greatest peak athletes Rose 2011 is starting

He was MUST watch TV and the ratings for Bulls games (especially during the playoffs) broke records

Its not his fault that in his 3rd year he struggled against Prime Wade and Lebron.

[r0drig0lac]

lol no

[The_Pharcyde]

no

jimmy butler is good
but cmon rose won the MVP of the league by a wide margin
yeah there were some on message boards that campaigned howard should win or even lebron but be serious
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/3...mvp-award-vote
look at that voting

Rose was the bulls that season
good defender and the offense literally ran only through him

I can name so many games that year where he carried the Bulls to a win

Butler is awesome though!

[The_Pharcyde]

Anyone that watched the 2010-11 NBA season knows that is not true

It wasnt a stretch during the regular season to say Rose was the best player in the NBA

He was doing things that no one had ever seen before at a SPEED no one had ever seen before AND will never see before

He was an ATHLETIC GOD

If you were to make a NBA team with the greatest peak athletes Rose 2011 is starting

He was MUST watch TV and the ratings for Bulls games (especially during the playoffs) broke records

Its not his fault that in his 3rd year he struggled against Prime Wade and Lebron.

exactly

he got so much shit for losing to the Heat but name me any 3rd year player EVER that is beating Prime Lebron(top 10 ever) Prime Wade (top 20 ever) and prime bosh(consistent all str and probably HOFer) when your starting 2 guard is keith bogans and your 2nd option is carlos boozer

be realistic

its a shame what the lockout did to DRose

[scm5]

Anyone that watched the 2010-11 NBA season knows that is not true

It wasnt a stretch during the regular season to say Rose was the best player in the NBA

He was doing things that no one had ever seen before at a SPEED no one had ever seen before AND will never see before

He was an ATHLETIC GOD

If you were to make a NBA team with the greatest peak athletes Rose 2011 is starting

He was MUST watch TV and the ratings for Bulls games (especially during the playoffs) broke records

Its not his fault that in his 3rd year he struggled against Prime Wade and Lebron.

Give me Westbrook over Rose in terms of athleticism. Westbrook is just as explosive but doesn't need to rely on aerial acrobatics, dude is straight power and much stronger than Rose ever was.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Why are people giving Rose all the credit for the success of those Bulls teams? They were defensive juggernauts that held opponents well below their scoring averages. Rose wasn't shooting at an amazing level or anything like Curry and threw up plenty of bricks that needed to be rebounded.

Now if you want to argue that Rose's play-making is the difference maker and conclude that his greater offensive impact (due to higher play-making) outweighs Butler's greater defensive impact/2-way play, then that is a fair argument.

But to sit there and act like Rose was this efficient scorer that carried an otherwise mediocre Bulls team to 60+ wins is borderline ludicrous. It's akin to claiming that those LeBron-lead Cavs teams were garbage outside of LeBron when they both had in common being teams tailor-made to compliment their superstars at the time with great defense.

[FKAri]

Give me Westbrook over Rose in terms of athleticism. Westbrook is just as explosive but doesn't need to rely on aerial acrobatics, dude is straight power and much stronger than Rose ever was.

Rose was just as explosive with MUCH better body control. Westbrook has a higher motor and always bring it tho.