Which of ISH's top 11 of all time would you pick LAST to start a franchise with?

[ArbitraryWater]

The issue is the other guys on that list have SIZE that Kobe just cant compete with. Im not talking about height necessarily, but those other players are just LARGE in ways Kobe cant really compare to. Based on that alone hes ranked much further down, somewhere around jeff hornacek and earl boykins.

I'll take Kobe over Wilt too big of big stage chocker. Kobe the superior winner.

Kobe doesn't even begin to be close to the player Wilt is

[Fudge]

Not even because I don't like the guy, but EASILY Kobe.

There's really no other correct answer.

[TheMan]

Easily Hakeem.

Hell, I wouldn't think twice in taking Moses over him.

The underrating of Hakeem, SMH

If anything, Bill Russell should be it, or Kobe.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Shaq because its a given thats hes going to leave

Lol at people saying Hakeem. The all time leader in blocked shots, one of the best defensive anchors of all time, great leadership, loyalty, and you can run your teams offense through the post

[mehyaM24]

wilt is probably first.

his lack of playoff success is alarming. his numbers dramatically 'dipped' in all categories.

kobe would be second. probably the least efficient of the group, and his leadership is very questionable.

jordan would be third. of all those players, he had the worst playoff start (1-9) and didn't win a series until pippen was drafted and became the bulls' LEAD playmaker and defender. like kobe, his leadership is poor.

[LAZERUSS]

He is best defender of all time , not named Bill Russell . And He has great offence . Most versatile center ever .

A 39 year old Kareem was just ANNIHILATING a 24 year old Hakeem. He was ROUTINELY hanging 40+ point games on his sorry ass.

Meanwhile, a PEAK Kareem's HIGH game against a full-time (and fading) Thurmond was 34 points. BTW, in 23 career H2H's with Hakeem, KAJ shot .607 from the field. In his 35 career H2H's with Nate... a .447.

And Thurmond wasn't the defensive force that Chamberlain was. In fact, a prime Wilt was probably the equal of a prime Russell.

[Genaro]

Bill Russell. Guy would be a DeAndre Jordan in today's game.

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe doesn't even begin to be close to the player Wilt is

I don't get it. What makes Wilt so great that a guy like Kobe isn't close to the player he is? The records while playing in a pace inflated era and statpadding for some numbers?

[LAZERUSS]

wilt is probably first.

his lack of playoff success is alarming. his numbers dramatically 'dipped' in all categories.

kobe would be second. probably the least efficient of the group, and his leadership is very questionable.

jordan would be third. of all those players, he had the worst playoff start (1-9) and didn't win a series until pippen was drafted and became the bulls' LEAD playmaker and defender. like kobe, his leadership is poor.

Give me your list of players, in their primes, who AVERAGED a 30-27-5-8 and shot about 10% above the post-season league eFG% average....all while just demolishing their HOF peers.

[mehyaM24]

Give me your list of players, in their primes, who AVERAGED a 30-27-5-8 and shot about 10% above the post-season league eFG% average....all while just demolishing their HOF peers.

or i can just link you his numbers in the regular-season vs playoffs.

the year wilt averaged 50ppg, his prime, he averaged just half of that in the postseason.

[LAZERUSS]

or i can just link you his numbers in the regular-season vs playoffs.

the year wilt averaged 50ppg, his prime, he averaged just half of that in the postseason.

Yep....all the way down to 35 ppg.

BTW, in that same season, he averaged 40 ppg against Russell in their regular season H2H's, and declined all the way down to 34 ppg in the ECF's. A massive drop.

Of course, Shaq's scoring and efficiency dropped in the post-season against the Robinson Spurs; MJ's dropped against the Bad Boys (particularly the 88-90 Pistons); Bird's took a sharp dive against the Lakers; and KAJ's dropped like a lead balloon against Wilt and Thurmond in the playoffs.

[Dr Hawk]

Bill Russell, no doubt. He is not in my Top10. Maybe in my Top20

[ShaqTwizzle]

Kobe or Wilt

[Dr Hawk]

Chamberlain with a proper coach could have been a lock for the Top3.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe or Wilt

Just for your benefit...

Wilt actually played in 37 "elimination games",...games where either his team faced elimination, or could have clinched the series:

1. W: 53-22-2, 24-42 FG/FGA

2. W: 50-35-2, 22-42

3. L: 26-24-0, 8-18

4. L: 33-23-1, 13-29

5. W: 56-35-1, 22-48

6. W: 32-21-1, 12-29

7. L: 22-22-3, 7-15

8. W: 39-30-?, 19-29

9. L: 30-27-2, 12-28

10. W: 38-26-5, 14-22, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

11. W: 30-26-4, 13-22, 13 blks (Triple-Double)

12. L: 30-32-2, 12-15

13. L: 46-34-?, 19-34

14. W: 18-27-9, 7-14

15. W: 29-36-13, 10-16, 7 blks (Triple-Double)

16. W: 24-23-4, 8-13

17. W: 25-27-3, 10-19

18. L: 28-30-7, 11-21

19. L: 20-27-8, 6-21

20. L: 14-34-5, 4-9

21. W: 11-25-1, 5-9

22. W: 16-29-3, 5-11, 16 blks (Triple-Double)

23. L: 8-18-4, 1-5

24. L: 18-27-3, 7-8

25. W: 36-14-3, 12-20

26. W: 12-26-11, 4-11, 11 blks (Quad-Double)

27. W: 30-27-6, 11-18, 11 blks (Triple-Double)

28. W: 45-27-3, 20-27

29. L: 21-24-4, 10-16

30. W: 25-19-9, 7-12

31. L: 23-12-4, 10-21

32. W: 8-31-8, 4-6

33. W: 20-24-2, 8-12, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

34. W: 24-29-4, 10-14, 8 blks

35. W: 21-28-4, 10-17, 8 blks

36. W: 5-22-7, 2-2

37. L: 23-21-3, 9-16


W-L : 24-13

Here were Wilt's averages in those 37 games:

29.5 ppg

26.1 rpg

4.2 apg (missing one game)

.546 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .440 on average in that span.)

Keep in mind that 24 of those 37 games came after his "scoring seasons" (59-60 thru 65-66)