The New Euroleague (The Start of NBA Euroleague Division) Begins In 2016-17 Season

[Euroleague]

EL the poster is speculating, as there is nothing at all in the links he provided that speak of mergers and such with the NBA.

Behind the scenes though, I wouldn't dismiss this completely. There was a report that when Adam Silver visited Real Madrid to watch the Celtics play there a few weeks ago, Silver supposedly met with Real Madrid officials to discuss Real entering the NBA. Could it be that the Real people discussed with Silver this EL streamlining efforts in 2016-2017? Most probably.

However, this doesn't mean the NBA is giving it's nod to any moves done by the EL. It just means the EL COULD, but may not, be positioning itself to merge with the NBA in the future, just like other leagues did in the past. Both the AFL and ABA made moves in the past where it could be easier for the rival big league to swallow it up. This could be what is going on.

The NBA isn't going to swallow up the Euroleague through a hostile takeover merge. It is going to merge with it, by combining into a partnership with it.

The leagues you talked about, AFL and ABA had less money and power than the NFL and NBA did. The new Euroleague, which is based on some of the biggest and richest clubs of Europe, and the entire world for that matter, has just as much money and power behind it as the NBA does, and maybe even more, when you also consider that they come from a bigger media and TV market than the USA, and have almost unparalleled fan bases.

These are the mega rich and uber powerful sports clubs of Europe. There is no way in hell the NBA, or any other American sports league, has the money or power to take them over and buy them out.

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The NBA isn't going to swallow up the Euroleague through a hostile takeover merge. It is going to merge with it, by combining into a partnership with it.

The leagues you talked about, AFL and ABA had less money and power than the NFL and NBA did. The new Euroleague, which is based on some of the biggest and richest clubs of Europe, and the entire world for that matter, has just as much money and power behind it as the NBA does, and maybe even more, when you also consider that they come from a bigger media and TV market than the USA, and have almost unparalleled fan bases.

These are the mega rich and uber powerful sports clubs of Europe. There is no way in hell the NBA, or any other American sports league, has the money or power to take them over and buy them out.

They wouldn't even try to buy them out, they'd do what stern and silver have mentioned in the past which is to set up their own division with their own clubs in the hopes it'd make the euroleague teams in those cities obsolete.

I'm not sure the idea would work as well as they hope though, it's one thing to have a big market in some euro cities who watch league pass but it's another to establish new franchises and pick up new fanbases that will regularly attend the games. Look at how Vancouver went. It'd probably work in London and Paris where tourists would help bring up attendance but a lot of other cities people wouldn't buy in imo.

[Euroleague]

The part people don't agree with isn't the new euroleague structure, it's the claims you make that the nba will merge with this league likes it's a done deal. Your links don't mention any merger being official so it's just you making your predictions and acting like they are facts, you post a link claiming it's all true when the link only confirms the part people weren't disbelieving.

The last official word I've seen from the NBA was that they were still considering either incorporating euro teams (which these changes would be a good step in that direction) or setting up their own teams but they see it as a 5-10 year project.

It will happen eventually though.

As I said, the new Euroleague gets formed officially first, and then soon after that it will eventually become the new NBA Euroleague, or what the NBA has sometimes referred to as "NBA Europe".

The NBA already stated last year that they would do this within 5 years. That means now 4 years from now. The new Euroleague does not even being until the 2016-17 season. So by the time the new Euroleague starts, that means 3 years from the date the NBA already set to form the NBA European division. Which just happens to coincide with the Euroleague's league model that after the first 3 years of the league are completed, the Euroleague will review all of the clubs and decide who keeps a franchise, and who gets a new one.

Which is exactly what this is. That is also why FIBA allowed the NBA into their permanent voting council last year, and gave them the controlling voting power. Because they are getting ready to setup this new league, working in conjunction with Euroleague, ULEB (national league of Europe union committee), FIBA Europe (controls FIBA EuroBasket), and the NBA.

There is a ton of money to be made in revenues in European basketball. It just has not been happening because up until now all the revenues are divided between FIBA Europe, Euroleague, ULEB (national league council), and the clubs themselves. Plus, the NBA places itself into Europe as trying to siphon off the money to be had in TV deals and merchandising.

This new system will combine it all into one system, therefore maximizing the revenues in TV, sponsors, and merchandise for these big European clubs. Which also just happen to have enormous fan bases, and play in a huge media market (European sports market). And all of the clubs being talked about, except for Maccabi, also have incredibly rich owners.

And yes, as Dr.J4ever mentioned, Adam Silver just met with the President of Real Madrid to already discuss this.

And also, last year the owner of the Memphis Grizzlies stated to the press that the NBA owners already told Silver that they want this and have already voted to approve it, putting the biggest clubs of Europe into the NBA.

There was also another report that mentioned two NBA GMs anonymously, and said that the young and newer NBA owners, all want to badly get into the biggest European clubs as soon as possible, because it would mean billions upon billions of dollars of new revenues for the NBA.

There was also another report last year that stated that Silver wants badly to get this done as soon as possible, to make the NBA the first North American sports league to merge into Europe. Because of the fact that the NFL also has plans to expand into Europe, and even to merge with some of the biggest English football (European soccer) clubs. As well as that MLB has plans to expand and merge into the the Japanese baseball league.

The thought process of the NBA is that whatever league is able to go global first, will be the league that secures the biggest sponsors and investors in the initial launching of the new league. The worry the NBA has is that if they don't get expanded into Europe before the NFL does, that they will lose out on the billions and billions of dollars that is available in sponsors and investors.

So you can say whatever you want to, but this is reality, and people saying otherwise are just being xenophobic and spouting off some kind of "American exceptionalism" bullshit.

[Euroleague]

FIBA and Euroleague have met to compare the two league plans that are being proposed as the format of the new Euroleague (which will eventually become NBA Europe).

FIBA's proposed new name of the league is "Basketball Champions League", modeled after UEFA Champions League.

The new logo has also been proposed:



In addition to this, the minimum league budget has been proposed to be set at $30 million.

In FIBA's model, 16 teams will play a 30 game regular season, after a 4 game qualification round. The top 8 teams will then make the playoffs, and play in a best of 3 playoff series.

The winning teams of the playoffs will then go to the Final Four. So FIBA's proposed format retains the round robin system and Final Four, but increases the time of the Euroleague season from the current length of 32 weeks, to 37 weeks.

Under FIBA's proposed model, 8 teams will be given franchises. FIBA's proposed format model is as follows:

8 franchises:

​​Real Madrid (Spain)
CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Olympiacos Piraeus (Greece)
FC Barcelona (Spain)
Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel)
Fenerbahce Istanbul (Turkey)
Panathinaikos Athens (Greece)
Efes Istanbul (Turkey)


4 additional places for the champions of each season's national domestic leagues in Lithuania, France, Italy, and Germany:

Lithuanian League champion
French League champion
Italian League champion
German League champion


4 final places will be awarded through the qualification round. The qualification round will include 28 teams, from 23 different European national domestic and regional leagues:

Qualification team 1
Qualification team 2
Qualification team 3
Qualification team 4


The Euroleague and FIBA are also discussing a new "Global Euroleague Draft".

Under the proposal being discussed, the new Euroleague would conduct a "global draft system of basketball players", just like the NBA does. Players from all over the world, including the USA, could then be drafted by Euroleague teams, and their rights then held by Euroleague teams.

Players could also then play in the D-League, NBA, or other international leagues, while the Euroleague teams maintain their draft rights.

In addition to this, the new league will also be officially partnered with and sponsored by one of the biggest professional sports leagues in the United States. Although they are not yet disclosing which league it is (but we can guess it is probably the NBA).

[RidonKs]

[Euroleague]

FIBA announced that the Euroleague has until March, to decide on the exact details of the new league, before it is officially launched.

They also announced that each team playing in the new league would be guaranteed $1.9 million income before each season starts, and then guaranteed money for each game played, each game won, and for every step they take further in the tournament.

The champion of the league would be guaranteed $5.5 million in profits, for winning the championship.

Teams would also be allowed to spend as much money as they want to, which is different than Euroleague's current rules, which state that teams can only spend as much money as they generate in revenues.

[bukowski81]

FIBA announced that the Euroleague has until March, to decide on the exact details of the new league, before it is officially launched.

They also announced that each team playing in the new league would be guaranteed $1.9 million income before each season starts, and then guaranteed money for each game played, each game won, and for every step they take further in the tournament.

The champion of the league would be guaranteed $5.5 million in profits, for winning the championship.

Teams would also be allowed to spend as much money as they want to, which is different than Euroleague's current rules, which state that teams can only spend as much money as they generate in revenues.

Havent read the whole thread, but are there serious plans to have some kind of tournament between euroleague and nba teams?? I cant imagine how the logistics of that would work, but it would be great and i would definetely watch.

[Euroleague]

Havent read the whole thread, but are there serious plans to have some kind of tournament between euroleague and nba teams?? I cant imagine how the logistics of that would work, but it would be great and i would definetely watch.

FIBA and Euroleague have made those plans for many years, and already have a world basketball cup, which is called the FIBA Intercontinental Cup, and has existed for a long time. It's officially a world cup of basketball, and is an actual official tournament, unlike the old McDonald's Championship.

FIBA and Euroleague spent several years inviting the NBA to compete at this tournament, which have the NBA champions, the Euroleague champions, and the champions of FIBA Americas League play each other. But the NBA refused for a long time, so finally FIBA and Euroleague just brought the tournament between the Euroleague champions and the FIBA Americas League champions.

The tournament has been going like that (FIBA Americas League champions versus Euroleague champions) for a few years now, but each year the NBA champions have been invited to play at the tournament. However, so far, the NBA has refused to participate.

So the tournament is already in place, and FIBA and the Euroleague want the NBA to play in it, but the NBA has simply refused to have anything to do with it.

So there is no way to know if this is ever going to happen or not, since the NBA simply has to accept their invite to the tournament. But so far, they simply refuse to play at it. It comes down 100% to whether or not the NBA will ever stop refusing to play at it.

[Milbuck]

Giannis, Rubio, Mirotic, Porzingis > Spanoulis

[Euroleague]

Giannis, Rubio, Mirotic, Porzingis > Spanoulis

All added together? MAYBE.........

[Euroleague]

I just heard that FIBA World has supposedly changed it's foul rules from the current FIBA rules for fouling, to NBA rules for fouling...


This is an enormous change to FIBA rules, because under the FIBA fouling rules --->


Defensive players have the right to their own bubble of space around their area of the court that they are occupying (no James Harden and Dwyane Wade style free throws being allowed),

Defensive fouls are only called at the personal discretion and whim of the refs (which in the last 10 years or so, has allowed FIBA refs to decide dozens of huge games on their own, without any threat of punishment), and,

where impeding or changing the direction of the offensive movement of an offensive player, by physically touching them on the perimeter, does not have to be called a defensive foul, and is again at the ref's discretion (which is why Steph Curry is just an 8-12 points a game type of scorer in FIBA).


Supposedly, FIBA has officially changed these rules, to NBA foul rules, where -->


No defensive player has the right to his own bubble of space around the area of the court that he occupies (meaning Dwyane Wade and James Harden style free throws being allowed, where they were not before),

Defensive fouls no longer allowed to be called at the personal discretion and whim of refs, but being absolutely a must call, if a defensive foul occurs (perhaps the complete doom and destruction of national basketball teams like USA, Spain, and Lithuania, that get helped by the refs in almost every game they play), and,

where impeding or changing the direction of the offensive movement of an offensive player, by physically touching them on the perimeter, HAS to be called a defensive foul (players like Steph Curry and prime Steve Nash suddenly are "magically" transformed into supermen).


I am guessing that this is being done primarily for 3 reasons - in order to make the rules of the NBA and FIBA more uniform with each other, to stop national teams like Spain, USA, and Lithuania, from always getting help from the refs, and thus skewing international tournament results over and over, and as a part of the forming of the new version of the Euroleague, which is being created so that it can soon join together with the NBA, for the NBA Europe Division that the NBA wants.

[Milbuck]

All added together? MAYBE.........

Giannis scored as many points in his first 4 games of this season as Spanoulis' entire career........on 27% better shooting

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I just heard that FIBA World has supposedly changed it's foul rules from the current FIBA rules for fouling, to NBA rules for fouling...


This is an enormous change to FIBA rules, because under the FIBA fouling rules --->


Defensive players have the right to their own bubble of space around their area of the court that they are occupying (no James Harden and Dywane Wade style free throws being allowed),

Defensive fouls are only called at the personal discretion and whim of the refs (which in the last 10 years or so, has allowed FIBA refs to decide dozens of huge games on their own, without any threat of punishment), and,

where impeding or changing the direction of the offensive movement of an offensive player, by physically touching them on the perimeter, does not have to be called a defensive foul, and is again at the ref's discretion (which is why Steph Curry is just an 8-12 points a game type of scorer in FIBA).


Supposedly, FIBA has officially changed these rules, to NBA foul rules, where -->


No defensive player has the right to his own bubble of space around the area of the court that he occupies (meaning Dwayne Wade and James Harden style free throws being allowed, where they were not before),

Defensive fouls no longer allowed to be called at the personal discretion and whim of refs, but being absolutely a must call, if a defensive foul occurs (perhaps the complete doom and destruction of national basketball teams like USA, Spain, and Lithuania, that get helped by the refs in almost every game they play), and,

where impeding or changing the direction of the offensive movement of an offensive player, by physically touching them on the perimeter, HAS to be called a defensive foul (players like Steph Curry and prime Steve Nash suddenly are "magically" transformed into supermen).


I am guessing that this is being done primarily for 3 reasons - in order to make the rules of the NBA and FIBA more uniform with each other, to stop national teams like Spain, USA, and Lithuania, from always getting help from the refs, and thus skewing international tournament results over and over, and as a part of the forming of the new version of the Euroleague, which is being created so that it can soon join together with the NBA, for the NBA Europe Division that the NBA wants.

[Euroleague]

Giannis scored as many points in his first 4 games of this season as Spanoulis' entire career........on 27% better shooting

Strange how "Giannis" was the 6th scorer on Greece's national team, while Spanoulis was the first scorer.

Spanoulis would average about 28/12 in the NBA.

[JtotheIzzo]

Strange how "Giannis" was the 6th scorer on Greece's national team, while Spanoulis was the first scorer.

Spanoulis would average about 28/12 in the NBA.

Hmm, if there was only some way where we could see how he'd actually do in the NBA...

Oh, he DID play in the NBA, and the 28/12 you are referring to are his 2pt and 3pt field goal percentages.