Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs top scoring wings

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That's why one is the GOAT and the other the COLLUDER.

[3ball]

Bron #2 despite having no navigational efficiency, off-ball passing, off-ball offense, and no sophisticated scoring ability

Much be the spacing, lacking of paint camping, and hand checking

Being #2 isn't remarkable on this particular list.. On this list, everyone's stats are all bunched up together, while MJ's are so much higher than everyone else's - it's an amazing display of 1 player's superiority.

And you can't say "it's just scoring" when the gap is THAT big and conspicuous - the rest of those players are supposed to be great players and yet MJ's scoring was that far superior..

Also, scoring + clutch is far more important than any other stat category, especially for #1 options.. Furthermore, winning a championship while being the league's scoring champ is one of the hardest things to do in basketball history.. MJ and Shaq are the guys in the modern era to do it - except MJ did it 6 times, to Shaq's once.. Mikan and Fulks did it in the 50's.

MJ's off-ball game allowed him to fit his goat scoring right on top of what was already there, without diminishing teammates production - teammates played to capacity alongside MJ's off-ball game, so the TEAM played to capacity.. Otoh, it's statistical fact that Lebron achieves his stats by significantly lowering the PPG and APG of his teammates.. Accordingly, teammates aren't playing to capacity, so the team doesn't play to capacity and underachieves (2009, 2010, 2011).
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[Rocketswin2013]

I would say Jackson's GOAT coaching fit the bald chucker into an offense where he couldn't jack 40 shots at will or make sub par teammates worse through forcing them the ball for assists.

Triangle offense > LeBron ball > Jordan ball

True words.

[3ball]

triange>Lebron ball

Obviously, and Lebron doesn't have the skills to play the triangle - in the halfcourt, the triangle would force him to move off-ball and then catch the ball on the high post like everyone else.. Then he wouldn't be allowed to use a live, pg-style dribble - he'd have to operate from the triple-threat (pre-dribble, stationary position) without dribbling or ball-domination.

Lebron is simply horrible at this style of play.. He'd get Phil fired or team-hop - simple as that.

Lebron ball > jordan ball

[COLOR="Blue"]Bigger Overachievement:[/COLOR] Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


NO COMPARISON..

[#number6ix#]

Being #2 isn't remarkable on this particular list.. On this list, everyone's stats are all bunched up together, while MJ's are so much higher than everyone else's - it's an amazing display of 1 player's superiority.

And you can't say "it's just scoring" when the gap is THAT big and conspicuous - the rest of those players are supposed to be great players and yet MJ's scoring was that far superior..

Also, scoring + clutch is far more important than any other stat category, especially for #1 options.. Furthermore, winning a championship while being the league's scoring champ is one of the hardest things to do in basketball history.. MJ and Shaq are the guys in the modern era to do it - except MJ did it 6 times, to Shaq's once.. Mikan and Fulks did it in the 50's.

MJ's off-ball game allowed him to fit his goat scoring right on top of what was already there, without diminishing teammates production - teammates played to capacity alongside MJ's off-ball game, so the TEAM played to capacity.. Otoh, it's statistical fact that Lebron achieves his stats by significantly lowering the PPG and APG of his teammates.. Accordingly, teammates aren't playing to capacity, so the team doesn't play to capacity and underachieves (2009, 2010, 2011).
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It is remarkable when you think about the fact that far more skilled and better scoring players are below him such as KD and Kobe

Post the scoring and clutch stats

[Rocketswin2013]

Obviously, and Lebron doesn't have the skills to play the triangle - in the halfcourt, the triangle would force him to move off-ball and then catch the ball on the high post like everyone else.. Then he wouldn't be allowed to use a live, pg-style dribble - he'd have to operate from the triple-threat (pre-dribble, stationary position) without dribbling or ball-domination.

Lebron is simply horrible at this style of play.. He'd get Phil fired or team-hop - simple as that.



[COLOR="Blue"]Bigger Overachievement:[/COLOR] Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


NO COMPARISON..

LeBron and Phil would've been an awful match...

For the rest of the league.


IIRC Phil was gushing over LeBron in 2012. Saying he was possibly better than the man you worship. Said he would get better(which he did) and that he wanted Kobe to implement a more LeBron-style of play that involved more unselfishness.

Phil does say a lot of things though...

Still he clearly thinks more of LeBron-ball than you do. Very likely thinks more of it than the mess Jordan was putting on the court before he took over and instilled discipline into that team...

I'm bored.

[Queen Sansa]

Brah, Jordan took almost 6 more shots than LeBron....

[NZStreetBaller]

Im not sure if im impressed with all of 3balls information and researched. Or deeply disturbed by it lol.

Man u have got to have some mad time for all this

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"Every action on a basketball court is influenced by nine other players, not to mention a coach. For this reason, there is no 'holy grail' in basketball equivalent to baseball's on-base percentage." -- Chris Ballard, Oct. 21, 2005

[3ball]

Brah, Jordan took almost 6 more shots than LeBron...

Without his efficiency declining - he maintained his efficiency at the same level Lebron's was, while giving his team 6 more shots of that..

So just take what Lebron does, and imagine Lebron took 6 more shots while maintaining his efficiency at the same level.. Imagine if Lebron just did like 25-50% more of what he normally did scoring-wise, a tad more assists, and oh wait, I forgot - better efficiency.. That's Jordan.

[VengefulAngel]

Im not sure if im impressed with all of 3balls information and researched. Or deeply disturbed by it lol.

Man u have got to have some mad time for all this

He works for the 76er's.

[sdot_thadon]

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JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk
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Great scott, 3ball you've done it again! [COLOR="White"]yet another shit thread[/COLOR]

So what you mean to tell us is Mj shot more than all those guys? Wow, would have never guessed it. So with this profound info we can come to a few conclusions:

1) Despite kobe being touted as an alltime level chucker, somehow Mj was even more of a ball hog. That equal opportunity tho.

2) That even though Lebron is "ball dominant" MJ somehow takes 6 more fga while maintaining a comparable apg number as well.........while according to you playing at the same pace as Lebron teams.......hmmm. that equal opportunity tho.

Cliffs: 3ball is a world class researcher destroying Mj myths left and right.

You the real MVP.
Round of applause

[Uncle Drew]

Off-ball passing.

[Uncle Drew]

So Jordan took 6 more shots for only 7 more points? I might have to change my all-time list.

[3ball]

So what you mean to tell us is Mj shot more than all those guys

Without his efficiency declining - he maintained his efficiency at the same level Lebron's was, while giving his team 6 more shots of that..

So just take what Lebron does, and imagine Lebron took 6 more shots while maintaining his efficiency and assists at the same level - he'd be a completely different player, like MJ was.. And then his stats would be up there with MJ's, instead of far below and bunched up with everyone else's.

But the reality is that unlike MJ, Lebron's CAN'T shoot well at high volume, as the 2015 playoffs showed, and as the stats had already shown his whole career: he has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting - this is statistical fact.
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