Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs top scoring wings

[3ball]

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JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts
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[plowking]

So you constantly barrage people with posts on here how Bron sucks, and how he can't do anything right, yet here he is, second, to the best player ever, and scoring isn't even his best asset according to you and many people.

It is amazing how much you love talking about him to begin with.

[3ball]

So you constantly barrage people with posts on here how Bron sucks, and how he can't do anything right, yet here he is, second, to the best player ever, and scoring isn't even his best asset according to you and many people.

It is amazing how much you love talking about him to begin with.

Look how far ahead the #1 guy is from everyone else in pts and fga, then consider that guy has the best points-per-possession efficiency too:


[COLOR="Red"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR].. 56.8 ts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk


Literally, a MASSIVE gap between #1 guy and everyone else.. MJ gave his team the most (pts, fga) of a good thing (superior points-per-possession efficiency).. Plus, the "clutch" category isn't included, but MJ wins that too.
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[dhsilv]

Scoring....umm ok...

[KobesFinger]

DRtg? And why did you split rebounds? To make Jordan appear better?

[3ball]

Scoring....umm ok...

It's literally dumb to say "it's just scoring" because the gap is THAT BIG - it's amazing an amazing display of superiority.. Everyone else's stats are all bunched up together, while MJ's scoring is all alone, so much higher than everyone else's - and the other guys are supposed to be great players.

More importantly, MJ leads the group by a massive margin in fga and points-per-possession efficiency too.. So he gives his team massive amounts more production at a higher efficiency - he destroys these guys.

DRtg? And why did you split rebounds? To make Jordan appear better?

Offensive rebounds are more important and less replaceable than defensive rebounds.

Also, individual DRtg is based on team DRtg, so it's not useful in player comparisons... i.e. Bird has lower DRtg than Pippen

[GIF REACTION]

Illegal defense though

[3ball]

Illegal defense though

What about it

[KobesFinger]

Offensive rebounds are more important and less replaceable than defensive rebounds.

Also, individual DRtg is based on team DRtg, so it's not useful in player comparisons... i.e. Bird has higher DRtg than Pippen

Less replaceable? You're just making things up now, basically Durant and LeBron both grab more rebounds.

What is ORtg based on?

[dhsilv]

It's literally dumb to say "it's just scoring" because the gap is THAT BIG - it's amazing an amazing display of superiority.. Everyone else's stats are all bunched up together, while MJ's scoring is all alone, so much higher than everyone else's - and the other guys are supposed to be great players.

More importantly, MJ leads the group by a massive margin in fga and points-per-possession efficiency too.. So he gives his team massive amounts more production at a higher efficiency - he destroys these guys.

who cares how many you score? How much do you contribute to winning. That's the only thing that matters. Everything else is just noise so people can sound smart.

Throughout the history of basketball at all levels, being the best scorer is rarely going to lead to titles. It's as true in high school as it is in the NBA. There are exceptions and MJ is the biggest of such. He was so great at scoring he could do what he did and not hurt his teams. He's unique in that, but it doesn't mean others can't be better players than him.

Your inability to understand and explain Jordan's greatness is comical. Most people don't feel a need to do it, it's clear he was the greatest we'll ever see. Yet you find ways to build him up so poorly that people can't help themselves in arguing against what you're saying and essentially making it look like on these boards that there's a reason to think others are better than Jordan. It's like you want as many people to think less of him so you have more people to argue with over this?

[3ball]

Less replaceable? You're just making things up now, basically Durant and LeBron both grab more rebounds.

What is ORtg based on?

Yeah.. Offensive rebounds are less replaceable, whereas any stiff can grab a defensive board.

ORtg is the number of points produced by the individual per 100 possessions.. It has nothing to do with the team.

[3ball]

Throughout the history of basketball at all levels, being the best scorer is rarely going to lead to titles. It's as true in high school as it is in the NBA. There are exceptions and MJ is the biggest of such. He was so great at scoring he could do what he did and not hurt his teams. He's unique in that, [COLOR="Red"]but it doesn't mean others can't be better players than him[/COLOR].

Uh, yeah it does boss - you just explained why MJ's the goat:

MJ and Shaq are the only scoring champs in the modern era to win a championship - except MJ did it 6 times, to Shaq's once.. Mikan and Fulks did it in the 50's.

Scoring + clutch is far greater than any other stat category by far, especially for #1 options.

[#number6ix#]

Bron #2 despite having no navigational efficiency, off-ball passing, off-ball offense, and no sophisticated scoring ability

Must be the spacing, lacking of paint camping, and hand checking

[dhsilv]

Uh, yeah it does boss - you just explained why MJ's the goat:

MJ and Shaq are the only scoring champs in the modern era to win a championship - except MJ did it 6 times, to Shaq's once.. Mikan and Fulks did it in the 50's.

Scoring + clutch is far greater than any other stat category by far, especially for #1 options.

I can't even take you seriously with things this stupid.

If it's not normal for a scoring champ to win, it means scoring has poor if not bad correlation with winning.

It's like I'm talking to a toddler.

[dhsilv]

Yeah.. Offensive rebounds are less replaceable, whereas any stiff can grab a defensive board.

ORtg is the number of points produced by the individual per 100 possessions.. It has nothing to do with the team.

I'll apologize right now if I missed any reference to team numbers here.

The Scoring Possessions formula is by far the most complex:

ScPoss = (FG_Part + AST_Part + FT_Part) * (1 - (Team_ORB / Team_Scoring_Poss) * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%) + ORB_Part

where:

FG_Part = FGM * (1 - 0.5 * ((PTS - FTM) / (2 * FGA)) * qAST)
qAST = ((MP / (Team_MP / 5)) * (1.14 * ((Team_AST - AST) / Team_FGM))) + ((((Team_AST / Team_MP) * MP * 5 - AST) / ((Team_FGM / Team_MP) * MP * 5 - FGM)) * (1 - (MP / (Team_MP / 5))))
AST_Part = 0.5 * (((Team_PTS - Team_FTM) - (PTS - FTM)) / (2 * (Team_FGA - FGA))) * AST
FT_Part = (1-(1-(FTM/FTA))^2)*0.4*FTA
Team_Scoring_Poss = Team_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Team_FTM / Team_FTA))^2) * Team_FTA * 0.4
Team_ORB_Weight = ((1 - Team_ORB%) * Team_Play%) / ((1 - Team_ORB%) * Team_Play% + Team_ORB% * (1 - Team_Play%))
Team_ORB% = Team_ORB / (Team_ORB + (Opponent_TRB - Opponent_ORB))
Team_Play% = Team_Scoring_Poss / (Team_FGA + Team_FTA * 0.4 + Team_TOV)
ORB_Part = ORB * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%

Missed FG and Missed FT Possessions are calculated as follows:

FGxPoss = (FGA - FGM) * (1 - 1.07 * Team_ORB%)
FTxPoss = ((1 - (FTM / FTA))^2) * 0.4 * FTA

Total Possessions are then computed like so:

TotPoss = ScPoss + FGxPoss + FTxPoss + TOV

Now, Individual Points Produced must also be calculated:

PProd = (PProd_FG_Part + PProd_AST_Part + FTM) * (1 - (Team_ORB / Team_Scoring_Poss) * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play%) + PProd_ORB_Part

where:

PProd_FG_Part = 2 * (FGM + 0.5 * 3PM) * (1 - 0.5 * ((PTS - FTM) / (2 * FGA)) * qAST)
PProd_AST_Part = 2 * ((Team_FGM - FGM + 0.5 * (Team_3PM - 3PM)) / (Team_FGM - FGM)) * 0.5 * (((Team_PTS - Team_FTM) - (PTS - FTM)) / (2 * (Team_FGA - FGA))) * AST
PProd_ORB_Part = ORB * Team_ORB_Weight * Team_Play% * (Team_PTS / (Team_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Team_FTM / Team_FTA))^2) * 0.4 * Team_FTA))

After all of that, we can finally calculate the player's individual Offensive Rating:

ORtg = 100 * (PProd / TotPoss)