2001 Lakers vs 2015 Warriors: Who wins?

[RidonKs]

This mf'er saying that Bogut and Ezeli are good defenders on Shaq but there's no way for the Lakers to contain the Splash Bros
In the Finals, Klay scored 15.8 PPG on 40.0/30.0 vs Smith/Shump and Curry with 26 on 44.3/38.5 vs Dellavedova; with Mozgov in the paint... Now imagine vs Kobe(defensive prime) and Fisher, with Shaq in the paint, with Phil coaching them, with better role-players than what the Cavs had...

Meanwhile, Shaq was cleaning up everything in his way, putting up 30 on 55.5% for the Playoffs, vs Dikembe (older but was DPOY), D-Rob (still made all-nba 3rd), old Sabonis, and Divac... But Bogut/Ezeli, who didn't even play 34 minutes-per-game COMBINED in the Playoffs btw, are going to do "good" Those dudes are getting murked regardless, and when they're off the court, it's gonna get VERY UGLY...

What you mean by imposing? Ho Grant was 35 but still a nice defensive player, former all-defensive and a pretty big dude. They also had Horry off the bench, a nice defensive forward, athletic, same height as David.
Plus, this is not even prime Lee we're talking about... It's Lee coming off of an injured season, playing very little...

GSW have some pretty good players to throw at Kobe but he's going to get his regardless... And this is young Kobe in his athletic prime, you're gonna need plenty of help defense because he's gonna blow by those dudes many times (Iggy's older and Klay doesn't have that type of Kobe speed nor is he as good of a defender as Andre, even if nice)... But then you leave Shaq by "himself", and if you double Shaq they had Fish/Kobe/Horry/Fox/Shaw to draw jumpers.

I mean, James Harden as the #1 option dropped 28.4 per game with 46.7/42.9 shooting on the Warriors (and 6.4 APG)... And you're here talking about prime Kobe WITH Shaq as a #1 option, alongside plenty of good role-players, coached by an atg great coach? Beans would go buckwild on GS "that way", js.

You even have the nerve to say Golden State in 6

I can't believe some of thse nikkas

15 warriors have one of the best defenses of recent memory, probably history, where they can play so many styles effectively. they can switch everything on a whim, rotate like maniacs, and nobody is ever unsure of the strategy. well coached team with terrific personnel.

the lakers historically had trouble with point guards. and not a one of them, not MIKE BIBBY or tony parker or whoever are remotely like steph curry. kobe trying to take on the challenge would completely wear him down... and that's where the series would eventually go. the warriors would harass shaq with bodies and quick hands collapsing and then closing out and then collapsing again.

you're underrating how good this team was... they strolled to their ring sure but that was just a young team playing down to competition. a real test like the lakers? shaq would get his... kobe would not. in the end, golden state would hit more three's and get more stops.

[IGOTGAME]

I gotta say some of you are sleeping on The Beard.

Dude wouldn't be better than Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe or even TMac... but everyone else is arguable.

He'd be right there with Iverson, Kidd and GP. Easily.

Also, Jason Kidd was a lot better than James Harden.


2001-2002
F: Tim Duncan
F: Tracy McGrady
C: Shaquille O'Neal
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Jason Kid
SECOND TEAM
F: Kevin Garnett
F: Chris Webber
C: Dirk Nowitzki
G: Allen Iverson
G: Gary Payton

F Paul Pierce

there are 9 or 10 guys better than James HArden.

1990-1991

F: Charles Barkley
F: Karl Malone
C: David Robinson
G: Michael Jordan
G: Magic Johnson
SECOND TEAM
F: Chris Mullin
F: Dominique Wilkins
C: Patrick Ewing
G: Clyde Drexler
G: Kevin Johnson
THIRD TEAM
F: Bernard King
F: James Worthy
C: Hakeem Olajuwon
G: Joe Dumars
G: John Stockton

Around 10 guys better than Harden

[Angel Face]

Who's gonna guard Shaq? Draymon Green? Bogut? No center in the current league can guard prime Shaq.

I hated that Lakers team but, they take this one in 5 games, 6 max.

[GIF REACTION]

This underrating of current players and overrating of old players has gone on for decades you morons

Wilt and Dr J said the 90's was weak, just like MJ says today is.

Harden 2014-2015 is a ****ing good player. He is easily better than Jason Kidd. He has a pretty ****ing good argument against perennial losers like McGrady

[Fallen Angel]

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[sportjames23]

This underrating of current players and overrating of old players has gone on for decades you morons

Wilt and Dr J said the 90's was weak, just like MJ says today is.

Harden 2014-2015 is a ****ing good player. He is easily better than Jason Kidd. He has a pretty ****ing good argument against perennial losers like McGrady

Two dudes who couldn't win in their era vs the guy who owned his. Hmm...

And the only thing Harden is better at than Kidd is scoring.

[IGOTGAME]

Can someone explain this notion that James Harden is better than Jason Kidd?

[SwayDizzle]

this thread is depressing

[ralph_i_el]

Two dudes who couldn't win in their era vs the guy who owned his. Hmm...

And the only thing Harden is better at than Kidd is scoring.

I'd take Kidd over Harden, but saying Harden is better than Kidd at scoring is definitely an understatement. Harden is a much better shooter and scorer than Kidd ever was. Obviously that wasn't Kidd's strength, these are two players that are difficult to compare.

[scandisk_]

I gotta say some of you are sleeping on The Beard.

Dude wouldn't be better than Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe or even TMac... but everyone else is arguable.

He'd be right there with Iverson, Kidd and GP. Easily.

In terms of impact? nah

[Fallen Angel]

Harden won 50+ games without an All-Star and most of his starting lineup injured.

But of course, idiots like to ignore that.

[RidonKs]

the lakers and their triangle offense would dictate the pace of the game. their offense would work inside out, and either you let bogut get in early foul trouble against the MDE shaq, or you hard double every time he touches the ball. either way, youre letting kobe get his or 1 of the lakers role players to get an open look from the outside.

and despite fisher, fox, and horry (when hes subbing in) looking for the open 3, the rest of the team wouldnt rely so heavy on those shots, meaning long rebounds wouldnt be as common, and GSW would have trouble pushing the pace of the game.

theyd be long and methodical match ups, but the MDE is the MDE for a reason, making all teams pay relentlessly.

the mde can be slowed, even when he's in the middle of a three peat ego trip

the way you do that is by making him pay defensively. he was never made to pay defensively throughout the three peat. divac and sabonis and robinson were all past their prime by that time... but especially the first two, along with guys like luc longley, made quick cuts and quick decisions once they had the ball. especially early in the game. this is the role bogut can play as he accumulates fouls.

the ace in the hole is draymond green, in addition to the warriors pesky rotations and switching ability. why were the bulls so effective guarding shaq and penny? because they constantly collapsed and then ran off shooters. the warriors have just as good a defensive personnel.

most importantly is that green can take the center position, much like rodman did, for short stretches against shaq. 10 minutes total. his quickness and aggression will bother shaq who will still dominate... but the game would immediately pick up pace with the smaller lineup and take la out of its comfort zone.

the warriors can make shaq uncomfortable on defense... probably more than any team the lakers played between 2000 and 2004. their shooting is too good. too much depth. consider shawn livingston posting up derek fisher...

[Foster5k]

the mde can be slowed, even when he's in the middle of a three peat ego trip

the way you do that is by making him pay defensively. he was never made to pay defensively throughout the three peat. divac and sabonis and robinson were all past their prime by that time... but especially the first two, along with guys like luc longley, made quick cuts and quick decisions once they had the ball. especially early in the game. this is the role bogut can play as he accumulates fouls.

the ace in the hole is draymond green, in addition to the warriors pesky rotations and switching ability. why were the bulls so effective guarding shaq and penny? because they constantly collapsed and then ran off shooters. the warriors have just as good a defensive personnel.

most importantly is that green can take the center position, much like rodman did, for short stretches against shaq. 10 minutes total. his quickness and aggression will bother shaq who will still dominate... but the game would immediately pick up pace with the smaller lineup and take la out of its comfort zone.

the warriors can make shaq uncomfortable on defense... probably more than any team the lakers played between 2000 and 2004. their shooting is too good. too much depth. consider shawn livingston posting up derek fisher...

[inclinerator]

warriors would win if derek fisher was injured