Worst supporting cast of all time: 2009 Los Angeles Lakers vs 1994 Houston Rockets

[kennethgriffin]

1994 rockets vs 2009 lakers:

C - Hakeem > C - Gasol
PF - Thorpe > PF Odom ( thorpe 20ppg peeks, more consistent, longer career )
SF - Horry > Ariza ( young horry more clutch, better shooter, better defender )
SG - Kenny < Kobe
PG - Maxwell > Fisher

6th man - Cassell > Bynum (cassell 16/7 per36m...... drew 6ppg? )
Ellie > Brown
herrera > luke
brooks > farmar
Bullard > sasha
jent > mbenga
cureton > morrison



well atleast the lakers got one out of 12

[ArbitraryWater]

not just is this wrong, but now do competition please

[sdot_thadon]

Nah

[kennethgriffin]

not just is this wrong, but now do competition please

kobe won while shaq/duncan/lebron were all in the league trying to win a title..and they were all on great teams... if they all lost to teams kobe beat.. then whats the big deal

hakeem won during a year jordan skipped the entire thing


its not just about who you beat. but who could beat you

[ArbitraryWater]

kobe won while shaq/duncan/lebron were all in the league trying to win a title..and they were all on great teams... if they all lost to teams kobe beat.. then whats the big deal

hakeem won during a year jordan skipped the entire thing


its not just about who you beat. but who could beat you

Your entire logic is so fu[COLOR="Black"]ck[/COLOR]ed.. its not even worth trying

[sdot_thadon]

Pau is a future Hof'er kenneth.
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[kennethgriffin]

Pau is a future Hof'er kenneth.
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every man, woman, child and their dog is an nba hall of famer doe


thats not saying much

guys ranked barely in the top 200 all time are in the hall



this isnt cooperstown

[sdot_thadon]

every man, woman, child and their dog is an nba hall of famer doe


thats not saying much

guys ranked barely in the top 200 all time are in the hall



this isnt cooperstown

Honestly if the pau trade doesn't happen they don't win any rings.

[Ass Dan]

Those Houston teams were really good. But the Lakers were also a very solid team, well constructed, beat a couple of great teams.

Is this a betafan Kobe vs Hakeem comparison? The two aren't really comparable, and all time Kobe likely ranks higher, as early in his career, Hakeem (when he was Akeem) was seen as a quitter and someone who would sell out his teammates.

[kennethgriffin]

Honestly if the pau trade doesn't happen they don't win any rings.

ok.. and i admit thats true. kobe needed a good 2nd option

but lets not act like gasol isnt ranked 85th on BBR hall of fame monitor

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086

paus a future hall of famer. but so are 40 other guys who've been in the nba over the last decade

[3ball]

its not just about who you beat. but who could beat you

you did the comparison wrong though - you compared hakeem to #2 option gasol, when hakeem was the #1 option like Kobe.. Hakeem wasn't part of the "supporting cast" like Gasol.

You need to redo the comparison and only compare the supporting cast... So #2 option Thorpe should be compared to #2 option Gasol.. Lakers had a better supporting cast, because Gasol is a franchise-level player, whereas Thorpe was a role player.

Here's a real comparison - 2010 vs. 1991:

Gasol > Pippen
Odom > Grant
Bynum > Cartwright
Ariza > Paxson


Or, 2010 vs. 1998:

Gasol > injured Pippen
Odom > old Rodman (he averaged 4/8 in both the 1998 Finals and entire 1997 playoffs)
Bynum > Longley
Ariza = Kukoc

[ArbitraryWater]

kennethgriffin, meet 3ball.. you guys are a perfect fit.

[kennethgriffin]

you did the comparison wrong - you compared hakeem to #2 option gasol, when hakeem was the #1 option like Kobe.. Hakeem wasn't part of the "supporting cast" like Gasol.

You need to redo the comparison and only compare the supporting cast... So #2 option Thorpe should be compared to Gasol.. Lakers had a better supporting cast, because Gasol is a franchise-level player, whereas Thorpe was a role player.

Here's a real comparison - 2010 vs. 1991:

Gasol > Pippen
Odom > Grant
Bynum > Cartwright
Ariza > Paxson


Or, 2010 vs. 1998:

Gasol > injured Pippen
Odom > old Rodman (he averaged 4/8 in 1998 Finals, and entire 1997 playoffs)
Bynum > Longley
Ariza = Kukoc

did you just put lamar odom over 96-98 rodman



ban this f*ggot

[DonDadda59]

I'm confused. All I've ever heard from Bean stans (and Jelly Bean himself) is how much of a soft, weak, untalented beta Dwight Howard (Fright Coward to some) is... But the guy was the best player and leader of the team that Bean and his Lakers beat in '09 to win a ring. Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu were his supporting cast.

So which is it- was 2009 some legendary accomplishment or was that 'ship just good fortune, a product of a weak league producing weak opposition where the ultimate beta basketball player could lead a rag tag group of 'others' to the championship round?

[kennethgriffin]

dennis rodman is on my all time starting 5


if i were to create a team to go into battle with... it would have to be


G - Kobe Bryant
G - Michael Jordan
F - Larry Bird
F - Dennis Rodman
C - Shaquille O'neal



no need for a traditional PG since you have 4 isolation players

no need for a 5 man offensive team. only 4 guys at most can score in an offense. a defensive/hustle/rebounder is needed more than another scorer



this is the perfect team IMO



so when a person puts crack pipe lamar no allstar games havin a** run out the nba a few years after kobe won him a ring Odumb

over dennis rodman?



i gotta say a big f*ck you to that