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College superstar
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Some Rafa fans say that Nadal is the GOAT because of his head-to-head vs Fed - that Fed can't be GOAT because of the matchup record, but if you look at Fed's body of work - nobody compares to it. Same with Gretzsky. I would add that it's the same with MJ. Look, nobody's got a perfect record/career - everyone's got holes. Looking at the usual suspects, is there anyone whose career stacks up against MJ's? When you look at individual stats, team accomplishments, peak, records, etc. - I don't see anyone.
I also feel that beyond the accomplishments, MJ had that mental edge that no one (I've seen since 1977) had. Not Federer, Borg, Sampras, Gretzky, Magic, Bird, Lebron. The closest I've seen is probably Usain Bolt (no knock against my fellow Jamaican) but what a cocky character - not that he doesn't back it up.
Anyway, my ORIGINAL point to the poster I quoted was that it's not just the Jordan fan base (of which I am definitely not one of) that thinks MJ is so great.
Last edited by rmt; 09-01-2015 at 06:00 PM.
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Decent playground baller
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone
Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon
Malone - Rated fine
AI -Rated fine
Webber - Rated fine (talented but an underachiever)
CP3 - Seems rated fine by most, but there is a fraction that underrates him for not getting deep in the playoffs and unfairly view him as a chucker
Cousins -Slightly underrated
David Robinson - Rated fine. Most view him below Shaq/Duncan and above Ewing, which is where he belongs.
Moses - Potentially the most underrated star of all time
Charles Barkley - Rated fine
Kevin Garnett - Rated fine by most. Underrated by a small group, and overrated by a small group
Tim Duncan - Rated fine
Blake Griffin - Rated fine by about 50% of people, overrated a lot by the other 50%
Hakeem Olajuwon - Rated fine
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Is it in you?
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Originally Posted by rmt
Some Rafa fans say that Nadal is the GOAT because of his head-to-head vs Fed - that Fed can't be GOAT because of the matchup record, but if you look at Fed's body of work - nobody compares to it. Same with Gretzsky. I would add that it's the same with MJ. Look, nobody's got a perfect record/career - everyone's got holes. Looking at the usual suspects, is there anyone whose career stacks up against MJ's? When you look at individual stats, team accomplishments, peak, records, etc. - I don't see anyone.
I also feel that beyond the accomplishments, MJ had that mental edge that no one (I've seen since 1977) had. Not Federer, Borg, Sampras, Gretzky, Magic, Bird, Lebron. The closest I've seen is probably Usain Bolt (no knock against my fellow Jamaican) but what a cocky character - not that he doesn't back it up.
That was actually besides the point, but you inadvertently helped illustrate my comments by agreeing with me.
My Original Post:If I said Federer is the GOAT tennis player, or Gretzky is the GOAT Hockey player, or Pele is the GOAT soccer player I would be called delusional, although there are many cases to support those claims
You summarized my point to the T. Thanks for making my statement much more clear
Anyway, my ORIGINAL point to the poster I quoted was that it's not just the Jordan fan base (of which I am definitely not one of) that thinks MJ is so great.
Nice try at a deflection, but it's the same laundry different pile. I see your schtick and it's to try and emphasize the idea by claiming to be a fan of the opposite. Like those posters who say " Brady is the greatest, and I'm a Manning fan!"
You support that idea. It doesn't matter if you dislike the person or not.
Last edited by hateraid; 09-01-2015 at 06:19 PM.
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Local High School Star
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
You can add MJ to the list of overrated players. Yes he's the GOAT but reading most of the posts here or on any type of social media you would believe the man never had a bad game in his life.
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Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Overrated: Duncan, Bird
Underrated: Cousins, Barkley
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The Magic are a trash
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
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Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
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Decent playground baller
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Overrated:
Cousins
Underrated:
Marc Gasol
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Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone
Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon
Charles Barkley is UNDERRATED. Charles is one of the most skilled, most unique players ever. He is almost, just missing by a hair, in his peak on Jordan/Bird/Magic level and its mostly because of his lazy ass personality.
Tim Duncan is vastly underrated, the Bill Russel of our time. Hakeem is judged about right.
CWebb is overrated, soft and played too far from the basket to matter. Talented yes, but too soft, which brings me to KG who might possibly the most overrated player ever. The advanced stats do NOT support claims of his great defence.
I also think Chris Paul is wildly overrated, I'd pick Tim Hardaway, Mark Price, Stockton (obviously), KJ, many others above him. Dribbles way too much,
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NBA Superstar
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Underrated: Kobe
Overrated: Lebron
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The Beast In Me
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Current players*
Overrated:
LaMarcus Aldridge
Brook Lopez
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Andrew Wiggins
Russell Westbrook
Underrated:
Tyson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov
Derrick Favors
Markief Morris
Danny Green
George Hill
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Very good NBA starter
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Charles Barkley Is The Most Underrated Player Of His Generation. Stastically Broken Down He Is a Top 10 Player of All Time. He is The Elgin Baylor of The Modern Era Of The NBA.
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15x all nba legend
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Iverson is disgustingly underrated by the stat nerds that roam the basketball internetz today
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15x all nba legend
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Originally Posted by 90sgoat
Tim Duncan is vastly underrated, the Bill Russel of our time. Hakeem is judged about right.
Bill Russell won like what 9 rings in a row (albeit in a joke of an era)
Tim Ducan has never won b2b, only made b2b finals once in his career and it wasn't a star
I also think Chris Paul is wildly overrated, Dribbles way too much
spot fuccing on with this though
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High School Starter
Re: Underrated and Overrated NBA Players
Originally Posted by Young X
Westbrook is a little overrated to me.
He's not efficient at all but still uses a crazy amount of possessions and plays with 0 control especially late in games. He's shot below league average in every season of his career while shooting more than his own teammate who is one of the greatest scorers of all time. For a "PG" that's Alpha.
He's also always at the top of the league in turnovers, ignores his teammates at times and isn't as great defensively as his reputation.
Saying all this, he's still a terrific player and definitely one of the best in the league because of the constant pressure he puts on defenses. He does alot of the shit Iverson got shitted on for but even AI didn't do it playing alongside someone like Durant. When AI played with Melo his shot attempts decreased and efficiency increased significantly.
Fixed that for you.
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