Lebron Ball effect on Chris Bosh

[JohnMax]

Do you notice Chris Bosh decline in scoring, rebounding, freethrow attempts and assists when playing with Lebron?

Regular Season

2003-04 45.9 fg% 3.8 fta 7.4 rpg 1.0 apg 11.5 ppg
2004-05 47.1 fg% 6.7 fta 8.9 rpg 1.9 apg 16.8 ppg
2005-06 50.5 fg% 8.3 fta 9.2 rpg 2.6 apg 22.5 ppg
2006-07 49.6 fg% 8.6 fta 10.7 rpg 2.5 apg 22.6 ppg
2007-08 49.4 fg% 8.3 fta 8.7 rpg 2.6 apg 22.3 ppg
2008-09 48.7 fg% 8.0 fta 10.0 rpg 2.5 apg 22.7 ppg
2009-10 51.8 fg% 8.4 fta 10.8 rpg 2.4 apg 24.0 ppg
2010-11 49.6 fg% 6.1 fta 8.3 rpg 1.9 apg 18.7 ppg
2011-12 48.7 fg% 4.9 fta 7.9 rpg 1.8 apg 18.0 ppg
2012-13 53.5 fg% 4.1 fta 6.8 rpg 1.7 apg 16.6 ppg
2013-14 51.6 fg% 3.4 fta 6.6 rpg 1.1 apg 16.2 ppg
2014-15 46.0 fg% 5.3 fta 7.0 rpg 2.2 apg 21.1 ppg

Playoffs

2006-07 39.6 fg% 6.3 fta 9.0 rpg 2.5 apg 17.5 ppg
2007-08 47.2 fg% 8.4 fta 9.0 rpg 3.6 apg 24.0 ppg
2010-11 47.4 fg% 6.7 fta 8.5 rpg 1.1 apg 18.6 ppg
2011-12 49.3 fg% 3.7 fta 7.8 rpg 0.6 apg 14.0 ppg
2012-13 45.8 fg% 2.6 fta 7.3 rpg 1.5 apg 12.1 ppg
2013-14 50.7 fg% 2.4 fta 5.6 rpg 1.1 apg 14.9 ppg

[Quickening]

Do you actually spend your free time thinking this through? You must be intersting at parties

[KyrieTheFuture]

This was probably fun to type out

[Rocketswin2013]

why leave 2015 out

[24-Inch_Chrome]

So you're saying that because he's not a first option with LeBron, his numbers drop? Interesting.

[sd3035]

Do you actually spend your free time thinking this through? You must be intersting at parties

translation:

[JohnMax]

If you check Kevin Love's stats, you'll notice the same thing.

[ArbitraryWater]

If you check Kevin Love's stats, you'll notice the same thing.

that is amazing research

[Nikola_]

Lebon to Bosh: Dont just do something, stand there!

[Legends66NBA7]

I'll give this a pass for laziness since it's an early morning Saturday.

[JZ600]

Great read, did not know this

Kill yourself op

[Megabox!]

I'm sure Bosh would rather have better stats than those 2 beautiful, shiny championship rings on his fingers

[DMAVS41]

Do you notice Chris Bosh decline in scoring, rebounding, freethrow attempts and assists when playing with Lebron?

Regular Season

2003-04 45.9 fg% 3.8 fta 7.4 rpg 1.0 apg 11.5 ppg
2004-05 47.1 fg% 6.7 fta 8.9 rpg 1.9 apg 16.8 ppg
2005-06 50.5 fg% 8.3 fta 9.2 rpg 2.6 apg 22.5 ppg
2006-07 49.6 fg% 8.6 fta 10.7 rpg 2.5 apg 22.6 ppg
2007-08 49.4 fg% 8.3 fta 8.7 rpg 2.6 apg 22.3 ppg
2008-09 48.7 fg% 8.0 fta 10.0 rpg 2.5 apg 22.7 ppg
2009-10 51.8 fg% 8.4 fta 10.8 rpg 2.4 apg 24.0 ppg
2010-11 49.6 fg% 6.1 fta 8.3 rpg 1.9 apg 18.7 ppg
2011-12 48.7 fg% 4.9 fta 7.9 rpg 1.8 apg 18.0 ppg
2012-13 53.5 fg% 4.1 fta 6.8 rpg 1.7 apg 16.6 ppg
2013-14 51.6 fg% 3.4 fta 6.6 rpg 1.1 apg 16.2 ppg
2014-15 46.0 fg% 5.3 fta 7.0 rpg 2.2 apg 21.1 ppg

Playoffs

2006-07 39.6 fg% 6.3 fta 9.0 rpg 2.5 apg 17.5 ppg
2007-08 47.2 fg% 8.4 fta 9.0 rpg 3.6 apg 24.0 ppg
2010-11 47.4 fg% 6.7 fta 8.5 rpg 1.1 apg 18.6 ppg
2011-12 49.3 fg% 3.7 fta 7.8 rpg 0.6 apg 14.0 ppg
2012-13 45.8 fg% 2.6 fta 7.3 rpg 1.5 apg 12.1 ppg
2013-14 50.7 fg% 2.4 fta 5.6 rpg 1.1 apg 14.9 ppg

You know what you could also do?

You could also think logically about a guy going from first option on an average team to 3rd option on a great team.

And you could factor that in and come up with what you think a realistic dip in production would like for a 1st option going to 3rd option playing with any player other than Lebron....then you could compare and see what the Lebron affect really was.

Another thing you could look at would be minutes played...I believe Bosh's minutes dipped like 2 to 3 minutes per game in 13 and 14.

And in the playoffs...his minutes dipped hugely. Maybe you blame Lebron for that....or maybe not.

Point is....there are a lot of factors to look at here if you are trying to quantify the Lebron affect.

I'd bet that impact was much lower than you actually think in terms of production for Bosh.

[Charlie Sheen]

Good post OP. You've pointed out Toronto's failures in building a proper team around a premium talent like Bosh.

[lilteapot]

Congrats OP you understand the concept of "1st option superstar will produce more than when he's a 3rd option"