Why could Charles Barkley never get on Karl Malone's level?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Minute: 7:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpefcLb4Puk

No Travel....Actually Barkley Was Too Skilled For Malone In His Sixer and Suns Days...

You realize you can just link it from 7:42 and it will be at that time when we click it, right?

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Scoring Efficiency Inside The 3-Pointline:

Season:

[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley Shot 58.13% Two-Point FG% at 21.6 PPG on 12.9...Two Point FGAs PG (Season Career)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]Malone Shot 51.9% Tw-Point FG% at 24.7 PPG on 17.5...Two-Point FGAs PG (Season Career)[/COLOR]

Play-Offs: [COLOR="Red"]Where Malone ALWAYS Declined[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley Shot 55.13% FG% at 22.5 PPG on 14.5 ...Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs Career)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]Malone Shot 46.6% Two-Point FG% at 24.6 PPG on 19.3...Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs Career)[/COLOR]

This was Chucks Plus/Minus Compared to Malone:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pm_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus

NBA/ABA
Rank Player BPM

[COLOR="DarkRed"]1. LeBron James 9.20[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]2. Michael Jordan* 8.09[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]3. Charles Barkley* 7.44[/COLOR]
4. Chris Paul 7.39
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]5. David Robinson* 7.35[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]6. Magic Johnson* 7.22[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]7. Larry Bird* 7.17[/COLOR]
8. Julius Erving* 6.19
9. Clyde Drexler* 5.98
10. Dwyane Wade 5.87
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5.77
12. Manu Ginobili 5.57
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]13. Tim Duncan 5.49[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]14. Kevin Garnett 5.46[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]15. Karl Malone* 5.40[/COLOR]
16. Andrei Kirilenko 5.02
17. Shaquille O'Neal 5.00
18. Bob Lanier* 4.96
19. Hakeem Olajuwon* 4.91
20. Bobby Jones 4.77
[COLOR="Red"]21. Scottie Pippen* 4.71[/COLOR]
22. Tracy McGrady 4.55
23. Kevin Durant 4.52
24. Joakim Noah 4.39
25. Wes Unseld* 4.35
26. Jason Kidd 4.19
27. Larry Nance 4.18
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]28. Kobe Bryant 4.14[/COLOR]
29. Alvin Robertson 4.00
30. Russell Westbrook 3.98
31. Chris Webber 3.91
32. Artis Gilmore* 3.89
33. Ben Wallace 3.87
34. Marc Gasol 3.86
35. Sidney Moncrief 3.80
36. Alvan Adams 3.72
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]37. Dirk Nowitzki 3.70[/COLOR]
38. Marques Johnson 3.63
39. Fat Lever 3.60
40. Paul Pierce 3.57
41. Pau Gasol 3.53
42. Micheal Ray Richardson 3.52
43. George McGinnis 3.48
[COLOR="Navy"]44. John Stockton* 3.46[/COLOR]
45. Eddie Jones 3.46
46. Bo Outlaw 3.43
47. Vlade Divac 3.31
48. Gary Payton* 3.30
49. Reggie Miller* 3.27
50. Vince Carter 3.26

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
[COLOR="Blue"]10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16 [/COLOR]
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
[COLOR="Navy"]16 Karl Malone 26.94 19[/COLOR]
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA

Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.24
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.70
7. Chris Paul 25.44
8. Bob Pettit* 25.35
9. Tim Duncan 24.75
10. Neil Johnston* 24.63
[COLOR="Blue"]11. Charles Barkley* 24.63[/COLOR]
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Magic Johnson* 24.11
[COLOR="Navy"]14. Karl Malone* 23.90 [/COLOR]

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA

Rank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.10
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.27
7. Kevin Durant 24.70
8. Dirk Nowitzki 24.68
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* 24.18 [/COLOR]
10. Dwyane Wade 24.06
11. Tracy McGrady 23.70
12. Dwight Howard 23.65
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.77
19. Amare Stoudemire 22.63
20. Bob Pettit* 22.59
21. Kobe Bryant 22.40
22. Julius Erving* 22.05
23. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
24. Rick Barry* 21.79
25. Russell Westbrook 21.66
26. Moses Malone* 21.57
27. Kevin Garnett 21.49
28. Larry Bird* 21.41
29. Baron Davis 21.36
30. Allen Iverson 21.24
31. George Gervin* 21.17
[COLOR="navy"]32. Karl Malone* 21.12 [/COLOR]

Shot Made & Missed Diferential Stat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNib-...el_video_title

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/nbaalltimescorers.htm

SHOT MADE/MISS DIFFERENTIAL STAT-
(minimum 15,000 shot attempts)

Unstoppable shot makers (+1 - infinity):

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: +3,367.5
2. Shaquille O'Neal: +3,200.5
3. Wilt Chamberlain: +1,865
[COLOR="Blue"]4. Charles Barkley: +1,434[/COLOR]
5. Robert Parish: +1,314
6. Adrian Dantley: +1,220.5
[COLOR="Navy"]7. Karl Malone: +888.5[/COLOR]
8. Bernard King: +562.5
9. Hakeem Olajuwon: +519.5
10. Walt Bellamy: +488
11. Walter Davis: +443.5
12. Bob Lanier: +431
13. George Gervin: +381.5
14. Alex English: +291
15. Reggie Miller: +263
16. Tim Duncan: +248
17. Dale Ellis: +230.5
18. Larry Bird: +172.5
19. Patrick Ewing: +172.5
20. Michael Jordan: +137.5
21. Kevin Garnett: +0.5

BARKLEY > Malone

[GIF REACTION]

Minute: 7:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpefcLb4Puk

No Travel....Actually Barkley Was Too Skilled For Malone In His Sixer and Suns Days...

It was called a travel.

Barkley bullied his opponents but 1 on 1 he couldn't bully Karl.

[Dro]

Scoring Efficiency Inside The 3-Pointline:

Season:

[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley Shot 58.13% Two-Point FG% at 21.6 PPG on 12.9...Two Point FGAs PG (Season Career)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]Malone Shot 51.9% Tw-Point FG% at 24.7 PPG on 17.5...Two-Point FGAs PG (Season Career)[/COLOR]

Play-Offs: [COLOR="Red"]Where Malone ALWAYS Declined[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Barkley Shot 55.13% FG% at 22.5 PPG on 14.5 ...Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs Career)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]Malone Shot 46.6% Two-Point FG% at 24.6 PPG on 19.3...Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs Career)[/COLOR]

This was Chucks Plus/Minus Compared to Malone:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pm_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus

NBA/ABA
Rank Player BPM

[COLOR="DarkRed"]1. LeBron James 9.20[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]2. Michael Jordan* 8.09[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]3. Charles Barkley* 7.44[/COLOR]
4. Chris Paul 7.39
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]5. David Robinson* 7.35[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]6. Magic Johnson* 7.22[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]7. Larry Bird* 7.17[/COLOR]
8. Julius Erving* 6.19
9. Clyde Drexler* 5.98
10. Dwyane Wade 5.87
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5.77
12. Manu Ginobili 5.57
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]13. Tim Duncan 5.49[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]14. Kevin Garnett 5.46[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]15. Karl Malone* 5.40[/COLOR]
16. Andrei Kirilenko 5.02
17. Shaquille O'Neal 5.00
18. Bob Lanier* 4.96
19. Hakeem Olajuwon* 4.91
20. Bobby Jones 4.77
[COLOR="Red"]21. Scottie Pippen* 4.71[/COLOR]
22. Tracy McGrady 4.55
23. Kevin Durant 4.52
24. Joakim Noah 4.39
25. Wes Unseld* 4.35
26. Jason Kidd 4.19
27. Larry Nance 4.18
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]28. Kobe Bryant 4.14[/COLOR]
29. Alvin Robertson 4.00
30. Russell Westbrook 3.98
31. Chris Webber 3.91
32. Artis Gilmore* 3.89
33. Ben Wallace 3.87
34. Marc Gasol 3.86
35. Sidney Moncrief 3.80
36. Alvan Adams 3.72
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]37. Dirk Nowitzki 3.70[/COLOR]
38. Marques Johnson 3.63
39. Fat Lever 3.60
40. Paul Pierce 3.57
41. Pau Gasol 3.53
42. Micheal Ray Richardson 3.52
43. George McGinnis 3.48
[COLOR="Navy"]44. John Stockton* 3.46[/COLOR]
45. Eddie Jones 3.46
46. Bo Outlaw 3.43
47. Vlade Divac 3.31
48. Gary Payton* 3.30
49. Reggie Miller* 3.27
50. Vince Carter 3.26

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
[COLOR="Blue"]10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16 [/COLOR]
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
[COLOR="Navy"]16 Karl Malone 26.94 19[/COLOR]
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA

Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.24
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade 25.70
7. Chris Paul 25.44
8. Bob Pettit* 25.35
9. Tim Duncan 24.75
10. Neil Johnston* 24.63
[COLOR="Blue"]11. Charles Barkley* 24.63[/COLOR]
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Magic Johnson* 24.11
[COLOR="Navy"]14. Karl Malone* 23.90 [/COLOR]

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA

Rank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.10
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.27
7. Kevin Durant 24.70
8. Dirk Nowitzki 24.68
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* 24.18 [/COLOR]
10. Dwyane Wade 24.06
11. Tracy McGrady 23.70
12. Dwight Howard 23.65
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.77
19. Amare Stoudemire 22.63
20. Bob Pettit* 22.59
21. Kobe Bryant 22.40
22. Julius Erving* 22.05
23. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
24. Rick Barry* 21.79
25. Russell Westbrook 21.66
26. Moses Malone* 21.57
27. Kevin Garnett 21.49
28. Larry Bird* 21.41
29. Baron Davis 21.36
30. Allen Iverson 21.24
31. George Gervin* 21.17
[COLOR="navy"]32. Karl Malone* 21.12 [/COLOR]

Shot Made & Missed Diferential Stat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNib-...el_video_title

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/nbaalltimescorers.htm

SHOT MADE/MISS DIFFERENTIAL STAT-
(minimum 15,000 shot attempts)

Unstoppable shot makers (+1 - infinity):

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: +3,367.5
2. Shaquille O'Neal: +3,200.5
3. Wilt Chamberlain: +1,865
[COLOR="Blue"]4. Charles Barkley: +1,434[/COLOR]
5. Robert Parish: +1,314
6. Adrian Dantley: +1,220.5
[COLOR="Navy"]7. Karl Malone: +888.5[/COLOR]
8. Bernard King: +562.5
9. Hakeem Olajuwon: +519.5
10. Walt Bellamy: +488
11. Walter Davis: +443.5
12. Bob Lanier: +431
13. George Gervin: +381.5
14. Alex English: +291
15. Reggie Miller: +263
16. Tim Duncan: +248
17. Dale Ellis: +230.5
18. Larry Bird: +172.5
19. Patrick Ewing: +172.5
20. Michael Jordan: +137.5
21. Kevin Garnett: +0.5

BARKLEY > Malone

Stop feeding the trolls. No matter how much evidence you provide, he's just going to come back with 1-2 sentences talking about one play. This is ish, nobody actually tries to prove their case with well, thought out evidence....They just go, "herp, derp, blah, blah, blah".

Besides, anyone who was alive back then knows good and damn well Charles was better.....It was never a question then, shouldn't be now......

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It was called a travel.

Barkley bullied his opponents but 1 on 1 he couldn't bully Karl.

"It was called a trave" BUT...IT WASNT A TRAVEL

Ive seen Barkley Bully Malone For Rebounds, Collitions (even in All Star Games) etc

Everyone Knows PRIME Barkley > Malone

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"It was called a trave" BUT...IT WASNT A TRAVEL

Ive seen Barkley Bully Malone For Rebounds, Collitions (even in All Star Games) etc

Everyone Knows PRIME Barkley > Malone

Head 2 head, Karl BLOWS Barkley away. It's not even a contest. Post season and regular.

Karl won his MVP's in the late 90's. Chuck won his (Only 1) early in the 90's... Karl wasn't even at his peak around that time and he was arguably just as good IF not better.

[k0kakw0rld]

It's funny how people think Charles is better. Not true. Nada. Zilcho. Negatoray. Incorrect. Vaminos.

Chuck was good but his small 6-4 frame couldn't handle the 6-9, chiseled physique of the Mail Man. Karl was and is a NATURAL BORN SAVAGE. Ruthless, Powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzlQLbXz7I

Sorry little chuckster. Daddies in control.

Karl Malone!

**** Malone, straight!

Chuck >>>>>> E-Mailman

[Dro]

Head 2 head, Karl BLOWS Barkley away. It's not even a contest. Post season and regular.

Karl won his MVP's in the late 90's. Chuck won his (Only 1) early in the 90's... Karl wasn't even at his peak around that time and he was arguably just as good IF not better.

Nash has more MVP's than Kobe and Shaq.......

[warriorfan]

It's funny how people think Charles is better. Not true. Nada. Zilcho. Negatoray. Incorrect. Vaminos.

Chuck was good but his small 6-4 frame couldn't handle the 6-9, chiseled physique of the Mail Man. Karl was and is a NATURAL BORN SAVAGE. Ruthless, Powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzlQLbXz7I

Sorry little chuckster. Daddies in control.

Karl Malone!

Same reason why you can never get on Budaddii's level

too little, too fat

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Malone played his best basketball in the late 90's. AKA his prime.

[AussieSteve]

Head 2 head, Karl BLOWS Barkley away. It's not even a contest. Post season and regular.

Karl won his MVP's in the late 90's. Chuck won his (Only 1) early in the 90's... Karl wasn't even at his peak around that time and he was arguably just as good IF not better.

Let's look at the top 5 in the 93 MVP..

1.Barkley
2.Hakeem
3.Jordan
4.Ewing
5.Dominique Wilkins

Note not only the names above, but the fact that all were in their primes (I'll concede that Wilkins was tail end). Also note... Where's Malone?

Barkley also won the most 1st place votes in 1990 (by quite a magin as well), but was by biased minor place votes. Let's check the leader board that year.

1.(27 1st place votes) Magic
2.(38 1st place votes) Barkley
3. Jordan
4. Malone
5. Ewing

Again, all top 50 all time and all in their primes. And again, Barkley ahead of peak Jordan.

Now, let's look at the top 5 for Malones two MVPs. Here's 1997...
1.Malone
2.Jordan(getting old now, not the Jordan that Barkley beat.)
3.Grant Hill
4.Tim Hardaway
5.Glen Rice

Yeah.. not quite the same league was it?

And 1999...
1.Malone
2.Alonzo Mourning (what!?)
3.Duncan (in his 2nd season)
4.Iverson (3rd season)
5.Kidd

Pffft... and all 5 of these guys got 1st place votes!! I'm sorry but Malone's MVPs mean squat.

From 1987 to 91, Barkley was legitimately in the the same conversation Magic and Jordan. People could and did mount solid cases for him as the best player in the league. Malone was NEVER at this level.

[AussieSteve]

Malone scored about 3 more ppg than Barkley. However, a look at the their respective FG and 3PT stats, as well as a bit of time on Youtube watching highlights, should convince anyone that Barkley was better than Malone in pretty much every aspect of scoring the basketball. He had better moves around the basket, he was better in the post, he was quicker on the drive and he had a more range on his jump shot. Barkley was hands down the more efficient and more creative scorer. So how did Malone score more? Simple