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7-time NBA All-Star
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by Ncrazyballa
i think hes saying westbrook wasnt good enough to lead his team to the playoffs.
They tied for 8th in a loaded conference despite Durant missing 55 games and Ibaka missing 16 games. Westbrook also missed 15 games and OKC got off to a 3-12 start before he returned from injury. That was hardly Westbrook's fault and obviously he had been healthy for just about 5-7 more games Westbrook would've led OKC to the playoffs despite not having the second best player in the world and reigning MVP for 2/3rds of the season.
Yes, technically Westbrook didn't lead OKC to the playoffs but it wasn't because he wasn't good enough. Anyone that actually believes that and pushes that bullshit narrative is a moron. Replace Westbrook with Rose this season, keep everything else the same (the onslaught of injuries OKC suffered this year) and the Thunder don't even come close to sniffing the playoffs. Instead of 45-37 they go something like 35-47 and are picking a few spots higher in the draft.
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7-time NBA All-Star
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by Ncrazyballa
not at all, rose has outplayed kyrie and wall this season.
Outplaying them a game or two here and there doesn't mean anything. Kyrie and Wall had superior seasons. They were better than Rose this year and it isn't even really debatable.
Kyrie: 22-5-3-2 on 47/42/86 shooting, 58% TS, 22 PER, 3.7 VORP, and .183 WS/48
Wall: 18-10-5-2 on 45/30/79 shooting, 52% TS, 20 PER, 3.9 VORP, and .132 WS/48
Rose: 18-5-3-1 on 41/28/81 shooting, 49% TS, 16 PER, 0.3 VORP, .038 WS/48
The numbers don't lie. Both Kyrie and Wall were pretty clearly better than Rose this year and, going forward, almost every GMs would probably take either as their team's starting PG ahead of Rose.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
WB
CP3
Curry
Wall
Russell
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Good college starter
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Wall
Irving
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I usually hit open layups
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by KG215
Outplaying them a game or two here and there doesn't mean anything. Kyrie and Wall had superior seasons. They were better than Rose this year and it isn't even really debatable.
Kyrie: 22-5-3-2 on 47/42/86 shooting, 58% TS, 22 PER, 3.7 VORP, and .183 WS/48
Wall: 18-10-5-2 on 45/30/79 shooting, 52% TS, 20 PER, 3.9 VORP, and .132 WS/48
Rose: 18-5-3-1 on 41/28/81 shooting, 49% TS, 16 PER, 0.3 VORP, .038 WS/48
The numbers don't lie. Both Kyrie and Wall were pretty clearly better than Rose this year and, going forward, almost every GMs would probably take either as their team's starting PG ahead of Rose.
Ofcourse the numbers lie. Kyrie and wall tried really hard this season and played at their peak. Rose came back from a three year hiatus and took his time throughout the season. Technically they played better, dorsnt mean they are better players than rose, especially when rose did outplay them to prove a point when they went head to head. Rose even locked down and outdid curry, and carried the bulls to beat gs. I guess that doesnt mean anything.
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Parker and rose have no place over Kyrie
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Decent playground baller
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by KyrieTheFuture
Anybody who is not named Curry have no place over Kyrie
Fixed
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College star
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Paul
Westbrook
Curry
Irving
Wall
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Decent playground baller
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
I cant believe how much people overate Paul and more important how much they underrate Kyrie. Even Cavaliers fans don't think that he is top2 PG right now
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I report you
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
1. Westbrook
2. Curry
3. Paul
4. Irving
5. Wall
Wasn't that hard tbh
lol @ people with CP3 as the best PG in the league - you guys must be HUGE homers or haters of both Westbrook and Curry
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Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by KG215
They tied for 8th in a loaded conference despite Durant missing 55 games and Ibaka missing 16 games. Westbrook also missed 15 games and OKC got off to a 3-12 start before he returned from injury. That was hardly Westbrook's fault and obviously he had been healthy for just about 5-7 more games Westbrook would've led OKC to the playoffs despite not having the second best player in the world and reigning MVP for 2/3rds of the season.
Yes, technically Westbrook didn't lead OKC to the playoffs but it wasn't because he wasn't good enough. Anyone that actually believes that and pushes that bullshit narrative is a moron. Replace Westbrook with Rose this season, keep everything else the same (the onslaught of injuries OKC suffered this year) and the Thunder don't even come close to sniffing the playoffs. Instead of 45-37 they go something like 35-47 and are picking a few spots higher in the draft.
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and btw, if you swapped rose and westbrook, okc's record would be something like 20-62 while the bulls win the championship comfortably.
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Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Derrick rose isnt even a top 15 point guard this season
I would legit take dudes like conley, lillard, lowry over that crippled no-defence chucker
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RIP P
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
CP
Curry
Westbrook
Kyrie
Wall
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Trust the process.
Re: Top 5 Point Guards in the League right now
Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
Chris Paul over Curry
Replace CP3 and Curry.
Clips get bounced in the first round by the Spurs. Warriors still win the Finals with CP3.
They're are about equal on offense but CP3 is an elite defender while Curry is average, good at best.
Lakers fans need to quit hating on CP3 and Dwight just because it didn't work out. You're like the annoying best friend of the girl that got dumped.
Last edited by Bankaii; 06-29-2015 at 12:15 PM.
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