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A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
[COLOR="Purple"]Kobe (46.2 Minutes Per Game)
22.6 points on 38% FG
2.8 rebounds
4.4 assists
1.8 steals
0.6 blocks
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[COLOR="Red"]Lebron (43.6 Minutes Per Game)
17.8 points on 48% FG
7.2 rebounds
6.8 assists
1.7 steals
0.5 blocks[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Purple"]In 5 games Kobe took 113 shots and made 43 of them.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]In 6 games Lebron took 90 shots and made 43 of them.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Purple"]Kobe had a usage rate of 30.4, highest on his team[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron had a usage rate of 22.9, third highest on his team[/COLOR]
Both have good supporting casts, but I'd wager it is a slight upper hand in talent to The 04' Lakers... With 4 HOFers to Miam's 3.
So, in conclusion.... Kobe the higher usage rate (Highest on his team), inferior stats despite playing more minutes per game and losing in 5 games compared to Lebron's 6.
Well....
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Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
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Great college starter
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Lebron was the shock factor, consensus best player in the world comfortably, had completely dominated the playoffs.
Kobe isn't held up to the same standards so him having shitty shooting nights and not contributing assists or rebounds is not unexpected, see his final averages.
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Good High School Starter
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
LeBron choked, there's no doubt about it, but he was still better than Kobe in 2004.
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You are amazing
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
It's not the stats, LeBron's stats don't even look as dreadful as his performance was. What makes it the worst performance of all time is that he completely gave up, was scared to shoot or really do anything.
Kobe at least tried and tried, yeah, shots didn't go in, it was a bad performance, but he tried.
leBron straight up gave up.
07 vs 04 is a better comparison.
The chokes of 11/14 are in the league of their own
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Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by SexSymbol
It's not the stats, LeBron's stats don't even look as dreadful as his performance was. What makes it the worst performance of all time is that he completely gave up, was scared to shoot or really do anything.
Kobe at least tried and tried, yeah, shots didn't go in, it was a bad performance, but he tried.
leBron straight up gave up.
07 vs 04 is a better comparison.
The chokes of 11/14 are in the league of their own
No
2004 and 2011 is the best comparison in regards to talent and result and somewhat individual performance to an extent
Kobe never had an NBA finals squad with as poor supporting cast as 07 14 and 15...
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
The numbers don't tell the whole story for LeBron in 2011. Anyone who watched that series knows how FAR below his standards he played. Go back and watch the 4th quarters of those series, you won't even know he's in the game. Kobe was dreadful, but at least he helped them avoid a sweep in Game 2. If LeBron plays averagely the Heat probably sweep the Mavs with ease
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... on a leash
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Kobe 2000 = LeBron 2007
Kobe 2004 = LeBron 2011
basically
4 of the WOAT finals performances by an ATG
Weird thing is, Kobe never really become a good finals performer, unlike LeBron
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Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
The numbers don't tell the whole story for LeBron in 2011. Anyone who watched that series knows how FAR below his standards he played. Go back and watch the 4th quarters of those series, you won't even know he's in the game. Kobe was dreadful, but at least he helped them avoid a sweep in Game 2. If LeBron plays averagely the Heat probably sweep the Mavs with ease
No one is denying the chokes that occurred
Just that Kobe's was far far worse despite having a better supporting cast...
Lebron choked in the 4th quarters
Kobe choked in every quarter
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NBA Superstar
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
Kobe 2000 = LeBron 2007
Kobe 2004 = LeBron 2011
basically
4 of the WOAT finals performances by an ATG
Weird thing is, Kobe never really become a good finals performer, unlike LeBron
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Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
But really I guess Quickening said it best...
Kobe is not on Lebron's level... His level of standards and expectations... Never has... Never will be... Lebron has been the chosen one since middle school....
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by fiddy
LeBron's Finals stats are actually close to his regular season & playoff performances than Kobe's are
LeBron
RS: 27/7/7 50%
PO: 28/9/7 47%
F: 27/9/7 46%
Kobe
RS: 27/6/5 46%
PO: 27/5/5 45%
F: 25/6/5 42%
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Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
LeBron's Finals stats are actually close to his regular season & playoff performances than Kobe's are
LeBron
RS: 27/7/7 50%
PO: 28/9/7 47%
F: 27/9/7 46%
Kobe
RS: 27/6/5 46%
PO: 27/5/5 45%
F: 25/6/5 42%
Since that slow start in 2013, Lebron has been putting up insane numbers in the finals... His teammates in that stretch must have some shit ass records
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You are amazing
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
I'm trying not to step into dog shit now that all these meltdowns are happening here
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... on a leash
Re: A comparison of 2004 and 2011 (Kobe and Lebron)...
Originally Posted by fiddy
you don't think he's been amazing in the finals since 2012? No worries, the majority does
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