01 Iverson did more for his team than 15 Lebron.

[KevinNYC]

FACTS.

01 Iverson put his team on his back throughout the whole season with only one fading all star which his team acquired after all star weekend 2001.

01 Iverson led his team to number 1 seed, won all star mvp, won season mvp, and led team to the finals.

01 Iverson led his team to a one game win against the defending champs lakers in the finals as he helped his team by giving the Shaq, Kobe lakers their only loss of the postseason.

Guys who use the Wins Produced stat to measure players, call this the Yay, Points argument.

It’s no secret that Iverson is hardly a WoW favorite. But Iverson still gets a lot of respect from mainstream hoops fans, who wonder why the former MVP doesn’t have an NBA job right now. In this installment of “Numbers Nostalgia,” I’ll take a look at The Answer, and see what the numbers tell us. As always, all facts and figures are courtesy of theNBAGeek.com

Editor’s Note: The two metrics we’ll use are Wins Produced, which estimates how many wins a player earned for their team. The other metric is Points over Par per 48 minutes (PoP48), which estimates how many extra points a team could expect to win (or lose) by if the player played the full game.

1) AI won the MVP in 2000-2001, when “he took the 76ers to the NBA Finals”. How good was he that year?

Not very good. AI produced 4.8 Wins in nearly 3,000 minutes of play, which works out to a below-average PoP48 of -0.8

His Wins Produced total tied him for 5th on the team, with his backcourt mate Eric Snow (whom my wife always refers to as “The Serial Killer” for his scary facial expressions), and Snow played 21 fewer games. AI trailed Theo Ratliff (who suffered a season-ending injury after 50 games and was traded), Dikembe Mutombo (who only played 26 games for the 76ers that year, albeit at a superstar clip of +6.5 PoP48), Tyrone Hill (AKA “The Walking Dead”), Aaron McKie, and Wins Produced leader and unlikely star George Lynch, who produced 11.3 Wins at a PoP48 of +3.3

The 76ers won 56 games, but would have been even better if they kept AI on the bench, allowed McKie to play SG, and started the immortal Jumaine Jones instead, who had a PoP48 of +2.5 in consistent minutes.

[Real14]

Allen Iverson 2001 Finals: Record 1-4 against 56 Win Team
35.6 PPG 5.6 RPG 3.8 APG .407 FG% .282 3pt% 1.8 Stls .2 Blk

Lebron 2015 Finals: Record 2-3 against 67 Win Team
36.6 PPG 12.4 RPG 8.8 APG .399 FG% .344 3pt% 1.2 Stls .6 Blk

Lets not mention Phillys supporting cast of actual NBA players including Dikembe Mutumbo himself.

01 lakers are wayyy better than the 15 warriors and you know it man so don't waste my time. I said in the OP also that Iverson put his team on his back the entire season and postseason, Lebron only did that for 3 damn rounds in the postseason after his all star teammates helped him get that that number 2 seed in the first place. You think bron would be in the finals right now if irving and love didn't play the whole season?

[Real14]

Ima huge lebron fan but op is right

Thanks bro, I can't believe people are not giving 01 Iverson his credit tho.

[Real14]

KEVINNYC, you know damn well that the 01 sixers would be a lottery team if Iverson was on the bench. How could you even say something like that?

[Kvnzhangyay]

KEVINNYC, you know damn well that the 01 sixers would be a lottery team if Iverson was on the bench. How could you even say something like that?

Acting like the Cavs wouldn't with all these injuries and with no Bron?

[ZMonkey11]

Stopped reading after your rebuttal to the "stop being dumb comment"

OP, you should probably stop being dumb.

[ralph_i_el]

The mental gymnastics are real

[Real14]

Stopped reading after your rebuttal to the "stop being dumb comment"

OP, you should probably stop being dumb.

What's your problem man? I thought we were cool since we always agreed that Isiah Thomas is one of the most underrated players in NBA history? Now you want to talk shit? You act like I said nothing but lies in the OP

[Real14]

The mental gymnastics are real

You being a salty phuck is REAL. Stop talking about yourself man.

[riseagainst]

OP is a dumbass, no wonder he's a knicks fan.

[Real14]

OP is a dumbass, no wonder he's a knicks fan.

What's your problem man? Tell us why u think I'm wrong about 01 Iverson.

[OnFire]

here's a run down of AI's Playoff run

Beat the Pacers with Rose, Miller, Jermaine O'Neal in the first round, the same core of the team that went to the Finals and almost pushed the Lakers to 7 games in 2000

Beat the Raptors with prime Vince, Antonio Davis, Oakley in 7 games, 16-assist performance in Game 7 + two 50+ pt games in the series

Beat the Bucks with prime Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson, Tim Thomas, 44/6/7/3 on 52% shooting in the closeout game

had a 3 game run of 46, 44 and 48 points with the last 2 games of the Bucks series and Game 1 of the Finals, averaging 46/4/5/3 on 46/52/90 shooting

AI averaged 36 ppg on 49%TS in the Finals while Bran is averaging 37 ppg on 48%TS

difference is that one guy is below 6 ft and weighs about a 100 pounds less while the other guy is a 6-8 beast who gets single coverage and is given open jump shots to prevent him from going to the rim. AI mostly shot contested jump shots and had to work hard to get to the rim and finish over guys that were a foot taller than him. And they were both virtually identical at scoring the basketball at a similar volume. Lebron won a Finals game while going 4/23 in the 2nd half, 2/12 in 4th + OT

Iverson's game 1 with 48/5/6 + 5 stls on 44% shooting (with clutch baskets in 4th + OT) is better than any Game of Lebron's in the Warriors' series. Stacking rebounds and assists is cute but there wasn't a single game where we saw Lebron put the team on his back in crunch time to carry them to a W. Cavs are already eliminated if Dellavedova doesn't grab the offensive rebound and doesn't make the FTs.

AI had 14 games of 30 or more points, 6 games of 44 or more points, Lebron so far has 11 games of 30+ points, one game with 44 points.

that's called CARRYING a team.

yea well you aren't arguing pound for pound you are arguing who did more. his height doesn't mean shit. you just posted they had same amount of points but lebron is getting triple doubles most games.

[Ai2death]

It's funny how 'ImKobe' had the most logical post all thread yet all the Bran stans want to focus on the stupid comments by other posters completely disregarding the only legit post.

[Real14]

yea well you aren't arguing pound for pound you are arguing who did more. his height doesn't mean shit. you just posted they had same amount of points but lebron is getting triple doubles most games.

That's bullshit and you know it, imagine if Iverson was 6'8 bro. Plus Lebron wasn't doing this the whole season, Iverson did through the whole damn season and he was season MVP of the league.

[Real14]

It's funny how 'ImKobe' had the most logical post all thread yet all the Bran stans want to focus on the stupid comments by other posters completely disregarding the only legit post.

The only legit post? I didn't say any facts man?