Jordan and Brady playing pickup basketball

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't know how anyone can watch football and not know Brady plays in an era with unprecedented protection for QB's and WR's. You literally aren't allowed to hit a player hard anymore without it being flagged

"Roughing the passer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypxacviNMBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qtv5vt1FRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crsBaSXVpHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKC5jbswbw

"Unnecessary roughness"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxW9Xa7Ql58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVc32igKZC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_N1XA2C1AU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawL7E4wWjE

These hits aren't isolated incidents, anyone who watches football on a regular basis will see calls like this at least once a week. Just look at this list for most passing yards in a season, 11 of the top 13 have occurred in the past 4 seasons, which is why any statistical comparison between Brady and Montana is a sham

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...gle_season.htm

[sportjames23]

I don't know how anyone can watch football and not know Brady plays in an era with unprecedented protection for QB's and WR's. You literally aren't allowed to hit a player hard anymore without it being flagged

"Roughing the passer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypxacviNMBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qtv5vt1FRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crsBaSXVpHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKC5jbswbw

"Unnecessary roughness"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxW9Xa7Ql58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVc32igKZC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_N1XA2C1AU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawL7E4wWjE

These hits aren't isolated incidents, anyone who watches football on a regular basis will see calls like this at least once a week. Just look at this list for most passing yards in a season, 11 of the top 13 have occurred in the past 4 seasons, which is why any statistical comparison between Brady and Montana is a sham

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...gle_season.htm

[ShawkFactory]

It's pretty clear who is over and who is under 20 in this thread.

[TheMan]

Holy shit, that was brutal. I remember that hit but the one I'm talking about was in SF and Joe had to leave the game, it was worse than the hit Joe took in that gif...it was on a roll out and as Joe was throwing the football, Burt laid him out.

My point is that Joe dominated in an era were head hunting was legal. When has Brady ever been laid out like that? Never, because you can't touch a QB anymore.

[ShawkFactory]

Holy shit, that was brutal. I remember that hit but the one I'm talking about was in SF and Joe had to leave the game, it was worse than the hit Joe took in that gif...it was on a roll out and as Joe was throwing the football, Burt laid him out.

My point is that Joe dominated in an era were head hunting was legal. When has Brady ever been laid out like that? Never, because you can't touch a QB anymore.

That hit is an ejection and massive fine today. Possibly suspension.

[sportjames23]

Holy shit, that was brutal. I remember that hit but the one I'm talking about was in SF and Joe had to leave the game, it was worse than the hit Joe took in that gif...it was on a roll out and as Joe was throwing the football, Burt laid him out.

My point is that Joe dominated in an era were head hunting was legal. When has Brady ever been laid out like that? Never, because you can't touch a QB anymore.

I think you're thinking of the 1991 NFC Championship Game. That was Leonard Marshall who knocked Joe out the game.

[FKAri]

#NotTheFootballGOAT

[TheMan]

I don't know how anyone can watch football and not know Brady plays in an era with unprecedented protection for QB's and WR's. You literally aren't allowed to hit a player hard anymore without it being flagged

"Roughing the passer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypxacviNMBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qtv5vt1FRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crsBaSXVpHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKC5jbswbw

"Unnecessary roughness"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxW9Xa7Ql58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVc32igKZC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_N1XA2C1AU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawL7E4wWjE

These hits aren't isolated incidents, anyone who watches football on a regular basis will see calls like this at least once a week. Just look at this list for most passing yards in a season, 11 of the top 13 have occurred in the past 4 seasons, which is why any statistical comparison between Brady and Montana is a sham

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...gle_season.htm

Exactjy, it just isn't the same standing in the pocket in the modern NFL knowing the refs are babying you and the defense can't put a hat on you. Any QB comparisons between today and when QBs were actually allowed to get hit needs to take this into account.

Montana > Brady and it's not even close...

[ShawkFactory]

Exactjy, it just isn't the same standing in the pocket in the modern NFL knowing the refs are babying you and the defense can't put a hat on you. Any QB comparisons between today and when QBs were actually allowed to get hit needs to take this into account.

Montana > Brady and it's not even close...

Well let's not go too far here..

[Pushxx]

Brady >>>>>>Pre Salary cap Montana

Not even close considering the competition level.Brady in 2007,the only season he had elite offensive help,he broke every record >>>Montana at any point of his career.

Without two major flukes he could do nothing about,he would have 6 out of 6...thank goodness for BUtler otherwise it would have been 3 flukes in a row.its not Brady's fault Asante Samuel,Wes Welker and co. had butter fingers.

In 2007 he had a fantastic drive,gave the team a 4 point lead with 90 seconds to go.

If Jordan didn't have Kerr,Paxson,Pippen,Kukoc,Grant,he wouldn't have six..how many clutch plays did they make?

It's a team game.

[TheMan]

I think you're thinking of the 1991 NFC Championship Game. That was Leonard Marshall who knocked Joe out the game.

Yeah that's the one, I guess I combined those two hits, lol

My goodness, can you imagine if a defensive player did that today, he'd probably get arrested. The 85-86 Bears knocked out like a half dozen QBs in their championship run. The game is just totally different, QBs back then had bullseyes on them, waaaaaay different standing in the pocket back in the day when you know that 300 lb dudes are trying to take you out.

Just like in the NBA where they've taken the rough physicallity out of the game and in major league baseball where pitchers can't brush batters off the plate without risking getting tossed, it's all symptoms of a softer society :

[RedBlackAttack]

That hit is an ejection and massive fine today. Possibly suspension.

...and for good reason. Because we're seeing the end result of men with that kind of size and speed being allowed to hit one another with no regard for longterm health... and it isn't pretty.

In any sport, comparing eras is always a difficult undertaking. That's why I choose not to take part in it.

Trying to bring down Brady because of Montana's greatness or vice versa just feels stupid. Brady has mastered this era of football and Montana mastered his era.

But, let's be real... football instituted rule changes on hits for the good of the players who suit up to entertain us every Sunday and the game's own survival.

It was one thing in the 1950s through the 1970s when you had guys who were 220 pounds and ran a 5.0 40-time teeing off on quarterbacks and protecting the middle of the field by decapitating receivers/tight ends who happened to run a crossing route. And, a lot of those guys suffered the consequences too.

But, it is quite another to allow 280-pound men who can explode off the turf like a world-class sprinter to annihilate offensive players every week. That's what started happening in the 1980s and 1990s, leading to massive health problems for players of that era and changes in today's game.

I don't really see how playing in a safer era makes an athlete less great.

[SouBeachTalents]

...and for good reason. Because we're seeing the end result of men with that kind of size and speed to hit one another with no regard for longterm health... and it isn't pretty.

In any sport, comparing eras is always a difficult undertaking. That's why I choose not to take part in it.

Trying to bring down Brady because of Montana's greatness or vice versa just feels stupid. Brady has mastered this era of football and Montana mastered his era.

But, let's be real... football instituted rule changes on hits for the good of the players who suit up to entertain us every Sunday and the game's own survival.

It was one thing in the 1950s through the 1970s when you had guys who were 220 pounds and ran a 5.0 40-time teeing off on quarterbacks and protecting the middle of the field by decapitating receivers/tight ends who happened to run a crossing route. And, a lot of those guys suffered the consequences too.

But, it is quite another to allow 280-pound men who can explode off the turf like a world-class sprinter to annihilate offensive players every week. That's what started happening in the 1980s and 1990s, leading to massive health problems for players of that era and changes in today's game.

I don't really see how playing in a safer era makes an athlete less great.

Necessary or not, the rule changes have gone too far. I'll post this link again, 11 of the 13 highest passing seasons of all time have all transpired in a span of the last FOUR years. How does someone look at that list and believe it has ANY validity? Not even the steroid era of baseball has as much of a monopoly on the record books as these rule changes do

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...gle_season.htm

[Real14]

Jordan still busting ass and @ that bitch asterisk Brady being football GOAT.

[ShawkFactory]

...and for good reason. Because we're seeing the end result of men with that kind of size and speed being allowed to hit one another with no regard for longterm health... and it isn't pretty.

In any sport, comparing eras is always a difficult undertaking. That's why I choose not to take part in it.

Trying to bring down Brady because of Montana's greatness or vice versa just feels stupid. Brady has mastered this era of football and Montana mastered his era.

But, let's be real... football instituted rule changes on hits for the good of the players who suit up to entertain us every Sunday and the game's own survival.

It was one thing in the 1950s through the 1970s when you had guys who were 220 pounds and ran a 5.0 40-time teeing off on quarterbacks and protecting the middle of the field by decapitating receivers/tight ends who happened to run a crossing route. And, a lot of those guys suffered the consequences too.

But, it is quite another to allow 280-pound men who can explode off the turf like a world-class sprinter to annihilate offensive players every week. That's what started happening in the 1980s and 1990s, leading to massive health problems for players of that era and changes in today's game.

I don't really see how playing in a safer era makes an athlete less great.

I'm not against the rule changes at all. I indeed think most of them are necessary.

Just stating the facts about that hit. And how Brady has never had to worry about being hit like that, which is absolutely an advantage.