Is MVPs + FMVPs the best way to rank players all time?

[dubeta]

I think we are all in agreement with this new measurement. There's really no counterargument to this, makes sense to judge winning, as well as dominance.


Only issue is that we need to discount weak era rings, as in my other thread it was proven it was the equivalent of winning in the second round.

However, the metric seems strong enough, should it be an official ISH metric for ranking players all time now?

[Marchesk]

FMVPs is dumb, because you have to rely on teams making the finals. Wilt against the Lakers in the 60s would have racked up much better finals stats, which would go in as estimated FMVPs.

Hakeem with a better team for half his career would probably have a couple more FMVPs as well. Wasn't his fault Sampson got hurt and other guys were drug addicts.

[Fudge]

Biggest meltdown in ISH history.

Kobe stans in your head BAD.

Damn.

[Akrazotile]

Moses Malone has 4. Very impressive.

It looks like four really is the cut-off where you start to go from noteworthy player to all-time great territory.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ok, so if we're counting players who would have won Finals MVP had the award been given out, here's the top 10

1. Russell- 12
2. Jordan- 11
3. Mikan- 9
4. Kareem- 8
5. Wilt- 6
5. Magic- 6
5. LeBron- 6
8. Bird- 5
8. Duncan- 5
10. Shaq- 4
10. Moses- 4

[Marchesk]

However, the metric seems strong enough, should it be an official ISH metric for ranking players all time now?

No, it's not fair. Give Oscar Kareem in the 60s and we can talk. Magic was great, but he was extremely fortunate to have that Laker team to start out his career with.

[dubeta]

Ok, so if we're counting players who would have won Finals MVP had the award been given out, here's the top 10

1. Russell- 12
2. Jordan- 11
3. Mikan- 9
4. Kareem- 8
5. Wilt- 6
5. Magic- 6
5. LeBron- 6
8. Bird- 5
8. Duncan- 5
10. Shaq- 4
10. Moses- 4

Now just remove all the weak era rings, as I proved 100% in this thread why they aren't valid. There were 4 teams and the best won the ring, it was easier than even making the playoffs in today's era.

So No Russell, Wilt, Mikan

1. Jordan

2. Kareem

3. LeBron

3. Magic

5. Bird

Top 5 All time, whats the problem?

[knicksman]

OP trying too hard..But end up as 2/5.. ..

[stalkerforlife]

Best way to measure greatness is if a player sticks with one team to win lots of titles and refuses to leave his own team...twice...to form super teams.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Best way to measure greatness is if a player sticks with one team to win lots of titles and refuses to leave his own team...twice...to form super teams.

That's my GOAT.