Shaq's teams with and without him from 2001-2007

[Bless Mathews]

Great op.

People get caught up on stats and just rings.

Puts things in perspective when you see his teams that won :competed for rings and how mediocre they were without him.

[34-24 Footwork]

this is common knowledge to anybody who basketball prior to Dirk winning his ring, Shaq was always a liability in the 4th quarter of close games.

ever heard of hack a Shaq? this was a huge liability towards the end of games which prevented the Lakers from being able to dump the ball down to Shaq towards the end of close games





props to fatal


There's a reason Kobe was leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring for b2b championship runs, he was the closer, he had to close because Shaq wasn't reliable in late game situations where the other team could just foul him and put him on the line where he's going to make 50% of those shots..

The Shaq "carrying" narrative is waaay too easy to disprove. The only problem is that there's waaaaay too much evidence out there to decide what to use.

Bottom line - Shaq had the most individual and team success with Kobe Bryant.

After playing with Wade, Hardaway, Nash, LeBron and the Celtics, he still only came up with one ring.

[Bless Mathews]

The Shaq "carrying" narrative is waaay too easy to disprove. The only problem is that there's waaaaay too much evidence out there to decide what to use.

Bottom line - Shaq had the most individual and team success with Kobe Bryant.

After playing with Wade, Hardaway, Nash, LeBron and the Celtics, he still only came up with one ring.

Ever heard of the term "peak" ??

Smh. Smh.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ever heard of the term "peak" ??

Smh. Smh.

no coincidence that Shaq's "peak" begins when Kobe became an all nba player and ends when Kobe has a torn labrum in the playoffs
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tbh Shaq and Kobe's supporting cast was beyond awful in 03
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really none.

[Prime_Shaq]

no coincidence that Shaq's "peak" begins when Kobe became an all nba player and ends when Kobe has a torn labrum in the playoffs
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tbh Shaq and Kobe's supporting cast was beyond awful in 03
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really none.

Shaq's team success began when Kobe developed. Shaq's peak was around 1995 where he led his team to the Finals. Shaq and Kobe's cast were awful from 2000-2003, they only won because they had 2 top ended players.

[nathanjizzle]

if anything, people overrate shaq on these boards.

[ArbitraryWater]

this is common knowledge to anybody who basketball prior to Dirk winning his ring, Shaq was always a liability in the 4th quarter of close games.

ever heard of hack a Shaq? this was a huge liability towards the end of games which prevented the Lakers from being able to dump the ball down to Shaq towards the end of close games



props to fatal


There's a reason Kobe was leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring for b2b championship runs, he was the closer, he had to close because Shaq wasn't reliable in late game situations where the other team could just foul him and put him on the line where he's going to make 50% of those shots..

Sooo, where is the Lakers taking Shaq out of the game for being a liability?

All you showed was a poor 4th quarter series.... You could do the same for Kobe, or show a good one for Shaq.

[HOoopCityJones]

Sooo, where is the Lakers taking Shaq out of the game for being a liability?

All you showed was a poor 4th quarter series.... You could do the same for Kobe, or show a good one for Shaq.

I notice you didn't quote the info he posted you fuccing fraud ass ni99a.

[AintNoSunshine]

Kobe stans getting nervous and uncomfortable despite his name never showed up in OP

[ArbitraryWater]

I notice you didn't quote the info he posted you fuccing fraud ass ni99a.

That's how ISH works.. It's a quote... notice how from my reply Mark Madsen's quote isn't in your post (this one), either? Try quoting him and adding fatals quote so it shows up, dumbass.

[mehyaM24]

kobe admits being shaq's sidekick during lakers championships

“The challenge for me was to show [Shaq] and show everybody else that I could win without him,” Bryant continued. “Point proven.”

“I took it as an honor and as a challenge to be a player that could play the supporting role.

It may have taken nearly a decade since Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal went through a public divorce, but the former seems to be content with his role as sidekick to the latter during the time they played together.

[The Iron Sheik]

a top heavy team that doesn't have it's best player doesn't play as well as they do with him? who would have known?

[j3lademaster]

Yet people usually barely have him in their top 10? Why? Shaq had arguably the GOAT peak, a lengthy prime that lasted from 1994-2005, was a top 5 player every year from 1994-2005, was a top 10 player every year from 1994-2006 and was an all-star player in his 17th season, when he was 36. His longevity is comparable to or superior to anyone else in the top 10 all-time, other than KAJ and Duncan.

What is the case for someone like Magic, Bird over Shaq? Some people even put Hakeem over Shaq. Shaq is comparable or superior in winning, had a greater peak and had better longevity.

Just curious, what does your top 10 look like?

[Roundball_Rock]

Sooo, where is the Lakers taking Shaq out of the game for being a liability?

All you showed was a poor 4th quarter series.... You could do the same for Kobe, or show a good one for Shaq.

Exactly. The fact is Shaq was not a liability at the end of games. Was he limited on the offensive end due to his FT shooting? Of course but he was not a liability. One can argue that Magic indeed was a liability at the defensive end, though for 48 minutes.

Too much is made of "end of game" situations on ISH. Very few games even go down to the final 2 minutes. Shaq arguably was the MDE for the first 45-46 minutes of games and we are quibbling over rare games that are close in the final couple of minutes?

a top heavy team that doesn't have it's best player doesn't play as well as they do with him? who would have known?

Was Shaq Miami's best player in 2006 and 2007? Was he Los Angeles' best player in 2004?

The interesting thing is those teams with Shaq, without Kobe or Wade did fine so it is not simply about top heavy squads being exposed without one of their stars.

Just curious, what does your top 10 look like?

1) KAJ/MJ
3) Wilt
4) Russell
5) Shaq
6) Duncan
7) Bird
8) Magic
9) Kobe
10) LeBron

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sooo, where is the Lakers taking Shaq out of the game for being a liability?

All you showed was a poor 4th quarter series.... You could do the same for Kobe, or show a good one for Shaq.

I never said they took Shaq out at then end of game. I said he was a liability in the forth quarter of close games due to his poor free throw shooting which he was.

You literally made up a claim, and then asked me to disprove it



Take the L and move on