Is Tony Parker one of the worst players in the NBA right now?

[rmt]

Parkers offensive real plus minus in 2013 was 3.7.. Duncan's was 1.0..

it's like when you see a big like dwight average 20ppg on great percentages higher volume and FG than a guy like manu.. but manus real offensive impact on the team blows dwight away and is seen in the rpm.

Duncan was an offensive role player. His numbers don't even reflect all star offensive impact. Parker's on the other hand are all star plus material and show his penetration and ability to break down the defense greatly impact the offense more than a screen setter and dump off put back man like duncan.

And fmvp has never been about defense otherwise big Ben and KG would have an award.. they look for the best offensive player for the award.

You're back-tracking on your statement that the highest scorer almost always wins FMVP since I've proved that Duncan was the highest scorer as of Allen's 3 pter. As far as your offensive real plus minus stats, Blair's was 6.8, De Colo's was 5.3 and Danny Green's was 3.7 so I guess they must all have been more important than Parker.

[tpols]

You're back-tracking on your statement that the highest scorer almost always wins FMVP since I've proved that Duncan was the highest scorer as of Allen's 3 pter. As far as offensive real plus minus, Blair's was 6.8, De Colo's was 5.3 and Danny Green's was 3.7 so I guess they must all have been more important than Parker.

You have to compare players in similar roles smh.. not bench scrubs.

And it's not an end all be all if a player is 3.0 and another is 2.9 the 3 is better but it gives a glimpse of how the offensive boxscore numbers translate to team offensive impact.

Danny green was amazing in 2013 though.. he fking broke the 3PT shooting record.. pop molded him perfect. He was kinda like Korver this year except he stepped up on the biggest stage.

It should clue you in when green parker manu all have signifigantly higher rating than duncan.. more than triple his score.. the Spurs were blowing open games with parker/manu penetration + all time great shooting. Duncan had little to do with it.

And on top of that parker was the bona-fide closer..

[rmt]

tpols, you just can't admit that even by your own criteria Duncan would have won FMVP. He had MORE POINTS, rebounds, blocks, minutes, higher FT% and FG% than Parker plus the whole other half of the court called DEFENSE. All Parker had on him are assists and steals (TP had 1 more steal than TD).

[DatAsh]

No way was Parker a better player than Duncan 09-14, not even close.

Duncan's a better defensive player than Parker is an offensive player, and he's also a better offensive player than Parker is a defensive player.

Parker is one of the most overrated guys in the media, MVP voting is indicative of that. Duncan is arguably the most underrated guy in the league.

If it had to choose a Spurs best player from 09-14, it'd probably be Duncan.

[DatAsh]

tpols, you just can't admit that even by your own criteria Duncan would have won FMVP. He had MORE POINTS, rebounds, blocks, minutes, higher FT% and FG% than Parker plus the whole other half of the court called DEFENSE. All Parker had on him are assists and steals (TP had 1 more steal than TD).

Parker getting FMVP for that series would be a mistake, though not unlikely given how the media overrates ppg. Pierce won over Garnett in 2008 even though Garnett was significantly better when you account for defense.

It's hard to watch everyone on defense. It's easy to watch the guy with the ball in his hands. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

[BasedTom]

Parker is garbage in every sense of the word.

[rmt]

Parker getting FMVP for that series would be a mistake, though not unlikely given how the media overrates ppg. Pierce won over Garnett in 2008 even though Garnett was significantly better when you account for defense.

It's hard to watch everyone on defense. It's easy to watch the guy with the ball in his hands. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

My point is that for the series, even disregarding his defense, Duncan (18.9 pts) averaged more ppg than Parker (15.7 pts), but tpols would argue that because of the timing of Parker's shots, he would have gotten FMVP over Duncan. I say no way.

[Artillery]

tpols salty as **** about Duncan finishing his career ahead of Kobe in the all-time lists

[nba_55]

tpols, you just can't admit that even by your own criteria Duncan would have won FMVP. He had MORE POINTS, rebounds, blocks, minutes, higher FT% and FG% than Parker plus the whole other half of the court called DEFENSE. All Parker had on him are assists and steals (TP had 1 more steal than TD).

tpols is a flip flopper, he changes his opinions, criterias by minutes ( to fit his own agenda).

[KirbyPls]

2012 parker was 5th in MVP voting.. .274 votes to Duncan's 14th place .002.. that should clue you in on who everyone thought the engine was that year. That's a wide gap.

Parker actually finished ahead of Tim duncan every year from 09 to 13 in mvp voting and he was a shot away from his second fmvp.

Way spurs fans talk about him you'd think he was a scrub.. Clearly that's not what the case has been.

Great. Kobe fans spending ~98% of their post hating media MVP voting until it comes to Duncan (a player they fear/know) is better than their idol; obvious hypocrisy is obvious. Duncan is the Spurs engine, always has been, and he is a top 5 player of all time.

[KirbyPls]

tpols salty as **** about Duncan finishing his career ahead of Kobe in the all-time lists

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[KirbyPls]

tpols is a flip flopper, he changes his opinions, criterias by minutes ( to fit his own agenda).

This too.

[Milbuck]

No way was Parker a better player than Duncan 09-14, not even close.

Duncan's a better defensive player than Parker is an offensive player, and he's also a better offensive player than Parker is a defensive player.

Parker is one of the most overrated guys in the media, MVP voting is indicative of that. Duncan is arguably the most underrated guy in the league.

If it had to choose a Spurs best player from 09-14, it'd probably be Duncan.

Are you talking about the general span from 09 to 14, or every individual year from 09 to 14?

[Smoke117]

Are you talking about the general span from 09 to 14, or every individual year from 09 to 14?

It doesn't matter. Duncan is better.

[Artillery]

Great. Kobe fans spending ~98% of their post hating media MVP voting until it comes to Duncan (a player they fear/know) is better than their idol; obvious hypocrisy is obvious. Duncan is the Spurs engine, always has been, and he is a top 5 player of all time.

Funniest thing in this thread is tpols bringing up rpm and other impact stats when he's spent years talking about how unreliable these numbers are(because they reveal that Kobe's been a shitty defender his entire career).