Total shooting this total shooting that

[Optimus Prime]

Advanced stats like TS, PER, WS, etc. were only created in order to prop up manufactured "legends" like LeBron and tear down real legends like MJ, Kobe, etc.

They are to be dismissed, ridiculed then ignored by anyone who knows and understands basketball. The same should be done to anyone who uses advanced stats in their arguments.

[tontoz]

Advanced stats like TS, PER, WS, etc. were only created in order to prop up manufactured "legends" like LeBron and tear down real legends like MJ, Kobe, etc.

They are to be dismissed, ridiculed then ignored by anyone who knows and understands basketball. The same should be done to anyone who uses advanced stats in their arguments.

In other words the advanced stats expose Kobe's inefficiency so you don't like them. OK

[Pointguard]

Fvck TS%!

Im the only one from the times here people looked at FG% to decide if someone is hitting their shots? Im the only one who remembers when comparison threads didnt have one season TS% and the other one FG% selected.. Im the only one who likes his stats raw?

#FvckTS%

Yes ODB is that you???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs

[f0und]

its like all the kobe kids looked at efficiency stats and saw that their daddy is at the low end in just about every way. then they stumbled upon a new made up stat, TS%. i think TS% became a thing only in the last 6-7 years. at that moment they saw their hope. they were like "*uck yeah!! TS% thats what im talking about. finally we have our secret weapon to combat those who would dare defile our god." now thats what theyve been running with ever since.

oh, and harden hard-ons have now joined jumped on the TS% bandwagon too.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Advanced stats like TS, PER, WS, etc. were only created in order to prop up manufactured "legends" like LeBron and tear down real legends like MJ, Kobe, etc.

They are to be dismissed, ridiculed then ignored by anyone who knows and understands basketball. The same should be done to anyone who uses advanced stats in their arguments.

How so when MJ is first in PER and 4th in WS all time. Only TS favours big men over guards, but Im sure he is at the top 10 among guards there.

You mean it shows Kobe's true colors, and thats why it sucks???

[Young X]

I don't get why it's so hard for you guys to understand. It's just points per scoring possession.

If a player took 10 shots and shot 6 FT's, he used about 13 possessions to score. That's 26 points he could've potentially scored. If he ends up scoring 15 points, that means he scored 15 points of the 26 points (57.7%) that he would've scored if he would've made every shot and every FT.

If two teams have the same turnovers and offensive rebounds (meaning they both have the same amount of possessions), the team that scores more per possession (aka TS%) will always win the game.

[Nash]

OP is a dumbass. If you don't like TS then use EFG which doesn't include free throws.

FG actually penalizes players for shooting 3s. If a guy takes a lot of 3s and shoots them at 39% that is good but it typically brings down his FG%

Isn't that the point? To know who is more efficient at actually getting the ball to go through the basket? Attempting a 3 is not that difficult and if you shoot too many 3's then you're clearly not good enough to get yourself higher % shots.

[ralph_i_el]

Fvck TS%!

Im the only one from the times here people looked at FG% to decide if someone is hitting their shots? Im the only one who remembers when comparison threads didnt have one season TS% and the other one FG% selected.. Im the only one who likes his stats raw?

#FvckTS%

FG% means nothing.

If you're against TS% you're a ****ing luddite

[JebronLames]

Isn't that the point? To know who is more efficient at actually getting the ball to go through the basket? Attempting a 3 is not that difficult and if you shoot too many 3's then you're clearly not good enough to get yourself higher % shots.

[tontoz]

Isn't that the point? To know who is more efficient at actually getting the ball to go through the basket? Attempting a 3 is not that difficult and if you shoot too many 3's then you're clearly not good enough to get yourself higher % shots.

Are you saying Ray Allen wasn't good enough to get higher percentage shots? He just settled for 3s that he made at 40% because he wasn't that good?

What exactly are higher percentage shots? Do you think shooting 45% from 10 feet is better than shooting 40% from 3?

[Akhenaten]

I don't get why it's so hard for you guys to understand. It's just points per scoring possession.

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call it that then, don't conflate it with PERCENTAGES, they are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRECEPTS

a percentage is how many times x happens vs how many time y happens THAT'S IT PERIOD

again if Kobe makes 40 3's in a 100 attempts, that's 120 points.
This means he made 40% of his attempts, he missed 60 shots and scored .83 points per possession.

Shaq makes 60 2 point baskets in 100 attempts, that's also 120 points
This means he made 60% of his attempts, he missed 40 shots and also scored .83 points per possession.


They have they same points per possession, they DID NOT "truly" or "effectively" or "virtually" or "practically" or "essentially" or "truly" shoot the same percentage...PERIOD!

It's corny pseudo-intellectual BULLCRAP is what is. I don't need a goofy azz nerd stat to tell me how much a guy scores for every shot he takes. You get 3 points for shot beyond 24' 9, 2 for shots inside of that and 1 for FT's/

"effective", "true", "essential" it's crap lawyers do, take a bag feces and wrap a nice pretty like bow around don't change the fact that it's crap. It's linguistic chicanery and it REALLLLY annoys because you goofballs actually think you're brilliant because you can divide and multiply.

[chazzy]

Seeing people still struggle with the basic concept of TS% is amazing

[Akhenaten]

Seeing people still struggle with the basic concept of TS% is amazing

Perfect example of those pseudo-intellectuals I was talking about smh.

[ralph_i_el]

Perfect example of those pseudo-intellectuals I was talking about smh.

You're coming off as a huge idiot.

It's a weighted %
Because the point values of shots in basketball are weighted differently.

More than one arithmetic step and all the sudden it's confusing nerd talk to you lol

[Pointguard]

To me its kind of simple:

Take your top ten GOAT and see how they rank in both categories. FG% is definitely a better indicator of greatness. In fact, TS% often works against the GOATs or relegates them to the middle of the pack in almost every case! The most dominant players consistently are high FG% people. especially position wise.

Magic totally destroys Bird in TS%, playoffs and regular season. As much as 75 % points in Bird's healthy prime ('84). That's phenomenal. Yet you will hear frequently on these boards about how Bird was in a different league. Yet, Magic was in a different league TS% wise.

Over the years I would check TS% with players that scored very high and Dantley stood out among the 30ppg scorers - a threshold few players ever get to but there is usually one or two that do attain it within a five year span. Adrian Dantley is the TS% king. You guys never talk about Dantley. Its definitely a stat that is misleading.