Is there a case for Parker over Kobe?

[T_L_P]

I corrected myself above by saying Playoff peak (which I absolutely think it is).

He never really played enough minutes outside of 05 to be in that conversation. But I do believe what he did in the 05 Playoffs is at least close to being in the top 20 (it's one of the 30 best Playoff runs ever, right?)

[ArbitraryWater]

I love how TLP was like "What, Manu's peak isn't that high are you crazy??!" And then it turns out TLP got Manu's Peak perhaps just a tad too high and upsets everyone else with it..

[T_L_P]

I love how TLP was like "What, Manu's peak isn't that high are you crazy??!" And then it turns out TLP got Manu's Peak perhaps just a tad too high and upsets everyone else with it..

I mean, Duncan had a bunch of better years. MJ had a lot. LeBron has too etc etc.

But assuming each player has one peak, is it really outrageous to say it's in the top 30? Great defense, and god-like offense.

Here's the RAPM for the year (just because I'm probably gonna need to stats to back this claim, even though it's totally from seeing just how great he was):

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2005-rapm

There is a large discrepancy between top 3 peak ever and top 20 peak ever.

[ArbitraryWater]

I mean, Duncan had a bunch of better years. MJ had a lot. LeBron has too etc etc.

But assuming each player has one peak, is it really outrageous to say it's in the top 30? Great defense, and god-like offense.

Here's the RAPM for the year (just because I'm probably gonna need to stats to back this claim, even though it's totally from seeing just how great he was):

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2005-rapm

There is a large discrepancy between top 3 peak ever and top 20 peak ever.

haha I actually agree with you

Manu is one of my favorite Players, and he'd likely be a perennial all-star anywhere else... And I know this is a tired argument for Spurs Players outside of Timmy...But most of other Teams fans favorites, would get a significant #'s drop-off playing in the Spurs System.. People don't get that.

[DMAVS41]

I corrected myself above by saying Playoff peak (which I absolutely think it is).

He never really played enough minutes outside of 05 to be in that conversation. But I do believe what he did in the 05 Playoffs is at least close to being in the top 20 (it's one of the 30 best Playoff runs ever, right?)

I love Manu...and definitely think he gets under-rated and overlooked often...

However, his 2005 playoff run is not one of the 20 best stretches of basketball anyone has ever played.

[ArbitraryWater]

I love Manu...and definitely think he gets under-rated and overlooked often...

However, his 2005 playoff run is not one of the 20 best stretches of basketball anyone has ever played.

That's not what it means though... Jordan himself has 10+ better stretches, but it means only 19 guys may have had a better Playoff run...

Duncan was pretty underwhelming offensively in '05.

[DMAVS41]

That's not what it means though... Jordan himself has 10+ better stretches, but it means only 19 guys may have had a better Playoff run...

Duncan was pretty underwhelming offensively in '05.

I know what he meant....there have been 20 other players that have had better playoff runs. I promise...

[ArbitraryWater]

I know what he meant....there have been 20 other players that have had better playoff runs. I promise...

I guess..

Michael Jordan
Tim Duncan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
Larry Bird
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Dwyane Wade
Clyde Drexler
^20

Then... Perhaps:

Baylor, Barry (not a fan of those 2), Payton, Frazier, Nash, '09 Howard... ?

Top 30.

[imdaman99]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself

[ArbitraryWater]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself

Eh... not one Spur played 30+ minutes last year, and I read somewhere they started with like 40+ different lineups throughout the year... They're not dependant on anyone. One player can be replaced.. Someone else comes in and fills their role. Everyone is an MVP.

[T_L_P]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself

03:

Duncan
Robinson
Manu
Bowen
Jackson/Parker

05:

Manu
Duncan
Parker/Horry

07:

Duncan
Manu
Parker

My exact list for 14.

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And I just realised Parker has never been All-NBA First Team (for some reason I thought he was in 2012). Now his impact is top 5 PG to ever live?

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL I was like "Who cares about Parker??!! We talking 'bout Ginobili?!" Then I remembered the OP... Obvious troll.

[MavsSuperFan]

No

[Genaro]

What ISH has become? Mods, please

[DMAVS41]

I guess..

Michael Jordan
Tim Duncan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
Larry Bird
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Dwyane Wade
Clyde Drexler
^20

Then... Perhaps:

Baylor, Barry (not a fan of those 2), Payton, Frazier, Nash, '09 Howard... ?

Top 30.

Off the top of my head as well:

Zeke
McHale
Pippen
Iverson
Payton
Pau Gasol
Durant
Chris Paul
Pettit
Mikan
Karl Malone
Worthy
Dr. J
Ewing
David Robinson
Bill Walton
Stockton