From Nov 2014: People still think LeBron > Bird/Pippen?

[3ball]

Even with PEAK Bird on the '14 Heat, the Spurs would've embarrassed them.

horseshit... don't know that.

and considering that lebron and bird play night-and-day differently, a Bird-led Heat team would have played entirely differently than the Lebron-led Heat played... they would probably play a lot like the Spurs.

also, considering bird's teammates all loved playing with him and were super-comfortable alongside him, and considering how Bird's teammates didn't routinely underperform like Lebron's, your statement is pure poppycock... wild speculation with zero basis whatsoever.

from all indications, a bird-led team would be opposite to a lebron-led team in many ways.
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[plowking]

MORE RINGS THAN BRON,NUFF.SAID

Dude, you type all kinds of stupid, so I know you're stupid away from the computer.

[aj1987]

horseshit... don't know that.

and considering that lebron and bird play night-and-day differently, a Bird-led Heat team would have played entirely differently than the Lebron-led Heat played... they would probably play a lot like the Spurs.

also, considering bird's teammates all loved playing with him and were super-comfortable alongside him, and considering how Bird's teammates didn't routinely underperform like Lebron's, your statement is pure poppycock... wild speculation with zero basis whatsoever.

from all indications, a bird-led team would be opposite to a lebron-led team in many ways.
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Seriously, kid? I'm done here.

[3ball]

Seriously

yeah seriously... a bird-led team would be completely different from a lebron-led team.

that much should be intuitive.

[Kvnzhangyay]

yeah seriously... a bird-led team would be completely different from a lebron-led team.

that much should be intuitive.

Yea but which team would be better is completely theoretical and up to debate, but I don't see how replacing Lebron with Bird in 2014 would give the Heat a championship. To be honest Lebron and Bird is a tossup, and its not going to make up for such a large average loss margin. Maybe if we're talking about Bird from 2010 onwards, the team may be completely different as different FA attractions, etc. so no point in talking about that either; too much of an ripple effect

[3ball]

I don't see how replacing Lebron with Bird in 2014 would give the Heat a championship.

people act like the Spurs had a talent advantage over the Heat.

they didn't.

they won due to strategy and team cohesion.

a bird-led team would have been better in both areas than a lebron-led team, simply because bird's scoring versatility allowed him to fit in with teammates better and adjust to opposition better.

and we know that bird's teammates loved him to death, and didn't underperform like lebron's always do.

these things indicate that a bird-led team would have been better - for one, we know the heat were WORSE with wade and lebron on the floor at the same time - NO WAY this happens with Bird.
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[colts19]

people act like the Spurs had a talent advantage over the Heat.

they didn't.

they won due to strategy and team cohesion.

a bird-led team would have been better in both areas than a lebron-led team, simply because bird's scoring versatility allowed him to fit in with teammates better and adjust to opposition better.

and we know that bird's teammates loved him to death, and didn't underperform like lebron's always do.

these things indicate that a bird-led team would have been better - for one, we know the heat were WORSE with wade and lebron on the floor at the same time - NO WAY this happens with Bird.
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You can talk all you want but 3ball hit it on the head. Bird just makes teams better.

[20Four]

Bron is better than Bird, end of story. Keep writing more essay's though, they are funny.

What he wrote is an essay for you?? Da fvck???? I guess McDonald's doesn't require much eh? You are fvcking dumber than I thought.....just shine my shoes already.........

[sportjames23]

[Spurs5Rings2014]

What he wrote is an essay for you?? Da fvck???? I guess McDonald's doesn't require much eh? You are fvcking dumber than I thought.....just shine my shoes already.........

[Bigsmoke]

It's not about the numbers....and I never said Bosh should average the same. It's about the style of play.

I remember somewhere that Bosh averaged 25ppg without wade in that 2011-2012 season. Bosh played that style because the Heat were at their best that way. Take LeBron or Wade out the equation= you'll get Toronto Raptors Chris Bosh.

[Papaya Petee]

people act like the Spurs had a talent advantage over the Heat.

they didn't.

they won due to strategy and team cohesion.

a bird-led team would have been better in both areas than a lebron-led team, simply because bird's scoring versatility allowed him to fit in with teammates better and adjust to opposition better.

and we know that bird's teammates loved him to death, and didn't underperform like lebron's always do.

these things indicate that a bird-led team would have been better - for one, we know the heat were WORSE with wade and lebron on the floor at the same time - NO WAY this happens with Bird.
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You are an idiot. That is all.

He really tried saying if you switched Bird with LeBron they would of beaten the Spurs last year

[kshutts1]

Pippen was so alpha that he chose to sit, rather than pass the last shot.
Lebron is so beta he wants Kyrie to take the last shot.

On a more serious note in an otherwise troll-thread, the phrase "basketball blasphemy", and the thinking it entails, is a huge problem with what's wrong with historical basketball talk today.

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron isn't better than Bird yet.

[aj1987]

DEFINTELY WRONG, DUNCAN NEVER DEFENCE ANY1 1 ON 1,WITHOUT KAWHI/BOWEN/ROBINSON/ETC DOUBLE, DUNCAN WILL NOT ABLE TO STOP ANYONE DUNCAN IS ALWAYS A POOR MAN DEFENDER

Agreed.