Replace LeBron with Carmelo During the Heat Run

[tpols]

Any way you want to slice it Melo has been a mediocre playoff performer his ENTIRE career. You can claim lack of help all you want, but his Knicks teams the last few years were no worse than Lebron's rosters during his first stint in Cleveland. If Melo is really as clutch as you claim his Knicks should have made at least one conference finals appearance by now.
You will have to forgive me if I have a hard time believing your stance that there is NO CHANCE Melo would underperform if he had better teammates.

LeBron is much greater at carrying shit rosters than melo is.. I would never deny that. He has a greater overall game and is the king of the one man army.

But melo is the PERFECT compliment to Dwayne Wade. A kickout guy who can score great down the stretch and doesn't blur ball handling duties.

I can't see them not winning a ring together especially with Chris bosh thrown in

[MellowYellow]

Any way you want to slice it Melo has been a mediocre playoff performer his ENTIRE career. You can claim lack of help all you want, but his Knicks teams the last few years were no worse than Lebron's rosters during his first stint in Cleveland. If Melo is really as clutch as you claim his Knicks should have made at least one conference finals appearance by now.
You will have to forgive me if I have a hard time believing your stance that there is NO CHANCE Melo would underperform if he had better teammates.

The only 2 legitimate playoff teams he has had were the 09 and 10 Nuggets, during those years he put up 28 7 4 and 2 stls on 46% shooting

[sundizz]

This is really tough to say. I think Bosh would of been a much bigger factor though. He is a beast. If Melo could learn to play off him they would of dominated no doubt.

[navy]

The only 2 legitimate playoff teams he has had were the 09 and 10 Nuggets, during those years he put up 28 7 4 and 2 stls on 46% shooting

Curious, what were his stats in the series he lost in?

[MellowYellow]

Curious, what were his stats in the series he lost in?

He was beasting against the Lakers until he got the flu in game 4, put up 39 on 70% shooting in game 1
He was beasting against the Jazz and got no help, put up 31 9 and 3 on 47% shooting in the jazz series.

[JT123]

The only 2 legitimate playoff teams he has had were the 09 and 10 Nuggets, during those years he put up 28 7 4 and 2 stls on 46% shooting

You don't think the 2013 Knicks were a legit playoff team?
Didn't they set an NBA record for 3 pointers made?

[Rameek]

A Melo led team couldnt do half of what an LBJ team did. LBJ does more than just score.

[MellowYellow]

You don't think the 2013 Knicks were a legit playoff team?
Didn't they set an NBA record for 3 pointers made?

Raymond Felton was their pg
JR was his 2nd option
Jason Kidd magically got old once the playoffs started
David West injure Melo plan was successful and he was playing with a torn labrum

[MellowYellow]

A Melo led team couldnt do half of what an LBJ team did. LBJ does more than just score.

So does Melo. Solid defender, good rebound, good passer.

[tpols]

You don't think the 2013 Knicks were a legit playoff team?
Didn't they set an NBA record for 3 pointers made?

You mean when Jr Smith went for 14/5 33FG, 43TS in the playoffs?

[Fire Colangelo]

What made Miami so good was the perimeter defense anchored by LeBron and Wade. With Melo, they lose their overwhelming defense and their transition opportunities, which was what made the Heat extremely dangerous.

They might win it in 11 if they made the finals since LeBron played so shitty in the finals. They might make it to the finals in 12 since the Wade beasted against the inexperienced Pacers after game 3, and the Celtics were old, but there's no way they beat the Thunder in the finals without LeBron finding Wade on cuts and the open shooters.

Don't see them winning in 13 or 14 either. Other than shooting, he's got nothing on LeBron.

Is he even a better scorer than LeBron? LeBron's career average is 27.5PPG, Melo's only averaged 27.5+ points three times in his career.

Lebron's playoff PPG average is 28, Melo's only averaged 28 in the playoffs two times in his career.

[JT123]

Raymond Felton was their pg
JR was his 2nd option
Jason Kidd magically got old once the playoffs started
David West injure Melo plan was successful and he was playing with a torn labrum

Yeah his supporting cast did underperform in the playoffs, but Lebron's supporting cast underperformed in the 13 playoffs as well. Wade goes from 21 ppg to 16 ppg, and Bosh from 18 ppg to 12 ppg.
The difference is Lebron was able to do just enough to get his team past the Pacers, while Melo came up just a little short against that same team.

[MellowYellow]

Yeah his supporting cast did underperform in the playoffs, but Lebron's supporting cast underperformed in the 13 playoffs as well. Wade goes from 21 ppg to 16 ppg, and Bosh from 18 ppg to 12 ppg.
The difference is Lebron was able to do just enough to get his team past the Pacers, while Melo came up just a little short against that same team.

2013 and 2014 pacers were two completely different teams. 2014 pacers had major locker room problems and chemistry issues.

[tpols]

What made Miami so good was the perimeter defense anchored by LeBron and Wade. With Melo, they lose their overwhelming defense and their transition opportunities, which was what made the Heat extremely dangerous.

They might win it in 11 if they made the finals since LeBron played so shitty in the finals. They might make it to the finals in 12 since the Wade beasted against the inexperienced Pacers after game 3, and the Celtics were old, but there's no way they beat the Thunder in the finals without LeBron finding Wade on cuts and the open shooters.

Don't see them winning in 13 or 14 either. Other than shooting, he's got nothing on LeBron.

Is he even a better scorer than LeBron? LeBron's career average is 27.5PPG, Melo's only averaged 27.5+ points three times in his career.

Lebron's playoff PPG average is 28, Melo's only averaged 28 in the playoffs two times in his career.

The heat were 6th in defensive rating in 2010.. before lebron came onto the team. Sixth best defense in the entire league with a trash frontcourt. What does that say about their perimeter defense?

Chalmers and wade were beast defense back then.. bosh became one of the best hedgers against the PnR during his stint with miami.. you cant use defense as your argument here. Miami wouldve had a great defense completely without lebron. They already had it before he got there and they added one of the most mobile PFs in the league.

[buddha]

more rings you sir just created the stupidest thread, ever.

wouldn't make the finals, any time. lebron made up for a lot of their deficiencies. they were small, old and had wade with knee issues.

they played small because LeBron needed his precious space to pad his fg%

with Melo they could have actually started a legit PF or C.

I'd say 4 rings.