If the Cavs and Heat meet in the playoffs and Miami prevails...

[riseagainst]

cawd dam, dubeta on a complete meltdown.

[Budadiiii]

wow, wheres that pic from?

Jonestown Massacre

[Dresta]

I really don't understand these arguments at all:

The Heat are the most stacked team of all time, who improved by subtraction because we no longer have to play "Lebron ball" and added all-star to replace Deng, and Granger and McRoberts to replace Ray Allen.

Yet if the Heat beat a team that had 33 wins...that added Love but then added "Lebron ball" which will cancel out Love's effectiveness...in the playoffs, that would be some great accomplishment

The Heat are the 4 time reigning Eastern Conference Champs with two superstars and a stacked roster.

Anything less than a return to the Finals is a complete and utter failure.

Find me a single pundit who agrees with you on that. Christ, most think they haven't got a shot of challenging the Bulls or Cavs, many thought a low seed, and others predicted they'd miss the playoffs (in fact, this was the biggest claim of Bron stans on here when Bron first left - rubbish supporting cast, Miami not even a playoff team without Bron etc.).

Eat dirt you flip-flopping lump of muff-garbage.

[dunksby]

First Cavs need to make the playoffs before we can engage in these hypotheticals

Stans already in damage control mode, chill the **** out man it's the East we talkin about.

[Fudge]

so miami is a contender with lebron and a contender without lebron

and cleveland is a bad team without lebron and a bad team with lebron

so lebron has no impact on a team

bosh and wade and spo

Pooped on.

[Dresta]

People asked the same question about the 2010-11 cavs and heat. It's early in the season. Wade won't stay healthy. I can't believe some people have their heads so far up their butts that they think the heat are better without Lebron. I said for years that the heat needed to give boshs a bigger role. It should have been Lebron then bosh then wade in the pecking order.

It had nothing to do with pecking order and everything to do with it become a Lebron dominated offense - this is what turned Bosh into a one-dimensional jump-shooter. In fact, the year when Bosh had the biggest role was in 2011, and again, it was Bron who ruined what the Miami Heat could've been by laying a huge egg in the finals.

From a Q&A with Ira Winderman (a guy who knows the ins and outs of the Heat):

'Q: It is really fun and enjoyable to watch Chris Bosh's inside game. I'm still not sure why Bosh's inside game couldn't have been incorporated into the Heat's last four seasons. It seems like another weapon that would have made it even easier for LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and the Heat's offense. LeBron's game /Bosh playing inside was always presented as an either/or, as opposed to having them working together to make everyone better. So was that LeBron's domination or Erik Spoelstra's coaching? Now we know why Jeff Van Gundy said the Heat could have gone 72-10. -- Stuart.


A: I think the Heat tried that the first season the Big Three were together and what it did was dissuade LeBron to play in the post. Then, when he got the ball in the post against J.J. Barea, he wasn't sure what to do. Like Spoelstra often said, Bosh "sacrificed." Now it's his turn to play on his terms.'



Bosh's marginalization in Miami's offense had everything to do with Bron's style of play and inability not to dominate the ball. Wade and Bosh, on the other hand, are great compliments to each other's games, and everyone's finally seeing that now (pity we couldn't have seen it in 2011 tbh).

[ImKobe]

Cavs are a 33 win team while Miami went to 4 straight finals

Miami should be expected to win, huge failure if they don't

a 33-win team that added Lebron and replaced Bennett with Kevin Love(packaged with the pick they got for playing so shitty last season).