For BASKETBALL purists, carries are as cringeworthy in the NBA as flopping:

[CavaliersFTW]

Please count, how many damn times does Derrick Rose carry the basketball on this one crucial posession, seriously how many ****ing times!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2vb...youtu.be&t=36s



His High School refs followed the rules of ball handling better than NBA refs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra3H06gX4w#t=198s

After learning the history of the game and how the game is reffed in other leagues, from high school to rec to International this is becoming a major gripe IMO about the NBA. Casual fans may not give a shit or may even be entertained by it but for a purist it is blatantly against the rules to carry the ball but NBA players do it all the time. It makes them look goofy and unskilled IMO as it quite clearly requires MORE SKILL to dribble with your hands in a disciplined manner on top of the ball than it would if you can scoop and hesitate every damn time you want to change direction.

And I'm also getting sick of seeing big uncoordinated players become "ball handlers" like Durant and Giannis. IMO the only reason they even "handle" the ball in the first place is because carrying isn't called on their clumsy drives. Seriously anybody ever watched those two guys who understand what carrying is? They get away with straight horrific ball handling. For Durant to crossover he practically picks the ball up from the bottom and sweeps the damn thing accross his chest.

[Lebronxrings]

kevin durant carries 90% of the time.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nothing is as cringeworthy as this

[Lebronxrings]

Nothing is as cringeworthy as this

wow thats sad

[nathanjizzle]

if you think those are carries, than you are a garbage baller. just because you havent mastered or atleast grasped the concept of dribbling doesnt mean someone that has is carrying or traveling. its your own ignorance.

"basketball purists" lol masterful play with the ball and perfect rythmic dribbling isnt pure basketball i guess to those less intuitive.

[nathanjizzle]

this is the concept of basketball "purists" players that had no rhythm or did not push the boundaries of maneuverability. all mediocre textbook players.

[Jailblazers7]

Traveling is much worse. I don't see anything wrong in the Rose clip.

[Pointguard]

If that's cringeworthy then you haven't been watching basketball since Earl Monroe joined the league. They're abuses every game far worse than that. And that's totally within the comfort level of how the game is called - and he doesn't use it to gain advantage or for lack of control. Rose dribbled twice in what would be a palming violation - that's not really a carry violation. To purist, Russell carries twice in this play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM Now that's a carry and he did it twice because he has trouble dribbling.

Flopping is insulting to intelligence, its the cheapest way to get a possession and clownish. Not seeing the two on the same level at all.

[CavaliersFTW]

If that's cringeworthy then you haven't been watching basketball since Earl Monroe joined the league. They're abuses every game far worse than that. And that's totally within the comfort level of how the game is called - and he doesn't use it to gain advantage or for lack of control. Rose dribbled twice in what would be a palming violation - that's not really a carry violation. To purist, Russell carries twice in this play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM Now that's a carry and he did it twice because he has trouble dribbling.

Flopping is insulting to intelligence, its the cheapest way to get a possession and clownish. Not seeing the two on the same level at all.

It's cringeworthy because I understand the rules of ball handling, how it used to be called, and how they're calling (or rather not calling) violations today. No, Russell does not carry once on the play, not even a little bit, he's dribbling palms straight up and down the entire time and puts zero hesitation on the ball... Derrick Rose carries/palms about 16 times in the clip I posted in the OP. Various ball hesitations mid-dribble while touching the ball all over the place. Heck he even starts out his dribble flipping his hand completely upside down onto the underside of the basketball. This is like stuff you should be taught not to do in elementary school. Unless of course you grew up watching Allen Iverson, than you'd be forgiven for thinking it was OK. But it's against the rules, the NBA should still enforce it IMO.

[swagga]

we talking bout carries now?

[Pointguard]

It's cringeworthy because I understand the rules of ball handling, how it used to be called, and how they're calling (or rather not calling) violations today. No, Russell does not carry once on the play, not even a little bit, he's dribbling palms straight up and down the entire time and puts zero hesitation on the ball... Derrick Rose carries/palms about 16 times in the clip I posted in the OP. Various ball hesitations mid-dribble while touching the ball all over the place. Heck he even starts out his dribble flipping his hand completely upside down onto the underside of the basketball. This is like stuff you should be taught not to do in elementary school. Unless of course you grew up watching Allen Iverson, than you'd be forgiven for thinking it was OK. But it's against the rules, the NBA should still enforce it IMO.

That's the whole thing - who is the purist? Russell dribbles twice above his stomach, he's very near face level, and you couldn't see it at all. This is with you looking for it.

Rose is a very economical and efficient dribbler when he isn't stalling for time. He's not going to get called for it. He's well in the comfort zone of most ball handlers in that video.

[jongib369]

OP just wants to be pure

[Rake2204]

This is like stuff you should be taught not to do in elementary school. Unless of course you grew up watching Allen Iverson, than you'd be forgiven for thinking it was OK. But it's against the rules, the NBA should still enforce it IMO.

I mean this respectfully and mostly separate from the topic at hand but if I may ask, what kind of basketball playing background do you have? College player? High school? Rec league? Goofing around with friends? Lifelong participator but nothing organized? I meant to ask this in your Euro-step thread but it slipped my mind.

[Mass Debator]

Have you ever tried dribbling while trying to palm the ball? This is hardly anything to talk about. Maybe palming while crossing could be a huge advantage, but it's not worthy of a discussion for what Rose did. It wasn't even obvious in real time and still not even obvious while trying to look for it. If it was, I bet you every player would be shouting carry.

[Stringer Bell]

Nothing is as cringeworthy as this

I agree that the NBA does allow too much carrying and travelling. Although it has made for some amazing highlight reels.

Actually, so has flopping, it's pretty funny at times,