Scottie Pippen Hopes to Be Traded to Suns (1995)

[Roundball_Rock]

They definitely could have retooled around MJ. I don't doubt that.

MJ fans do; MJ himself was adamantly and consistently opposed to the concept of trading Pippen.

But put a small forward that was a good defender, and could handle the ball a bit and he may excel under the triangle next to MJ.

Such as? Who from that period fits that description (great defender, point forward, who could also score)? Furthermore, who fits that description that the Bulls could have acquired? Thanks in advance.

[97 bulls]

Actually Krause didn't draft Jordan, Rod Thorn did. The Pippen trade was a huge risk (and was clowned a lot at the time) so Krause can take credit for that though.

What are you talking about? The NBA scouts and GMs knew who Pippen was. Bill Russell tried hard to move up to get him.

[DonDadda59]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...G-8Bvgk#t=169s

Dat Leadership, GOAT Teammate

[97 bulls]

This is a stupid thread. Or has evolved into that thnx to Swish and his Pippen haters.

The fact is all the Bulls were disrespected. Horace Grant left on bad terms, so did Scott Williams, Phil Jackson and then eventually Jordan. Theres a saying that goes something like "if everyone has a problem with you, then its you're the problem."

And Pippen was disrespected. The man literally broke his back playing for the Bulls. He didn't strat demanding to be traded until he found out Krause was trying to trade him and didnt want to negotiate a new contract with him.

[97 bulls]

Dat Leadership, GOAT Teammate

Pip cant catch a break with you guys. Werent you one of the ones questioning Pips leadership ability because he wasnt an ahole to bis teammates like Jordan?

What do you think Jordan would've done had he been in Pippens position?

[DonDadda59]

Pip cant catch a break with you guys. Werent you one of the ones questioning Pips leadership ability because he wasnt an ahole to bis teammates like Jordan?

You have me confused with someone else, Smith.

What do you think Jordan would've done had he been in Pippens position?

Obviously the same thing Pippen did- publicly shit on his teammate and then demand to be traded after just a year. Dat Leadership

[STATUTORY]

no one could stand playing with MJ. guy is a certified psychopath, that glare he gave his own sons during his HOF speech. that's all you need to know about MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

This is a stupid thread. Or has evolved into that thnx to Swish and his Pippen haters.

Has there ever been a Pippen thread where this does not happen due to MJ stans/Pippen haters (largely one and the same )?

I am still waiting to see which 90's SF could have replaced Pippen. Anthony Mason?

[andgar923]

MJ fans do; MJ himself was adamantly and consistently opposed to the concept of trading Pippen.



Such as? Who from that period fits that description (great defender, point forward, who could also score)? Furthermore, who fits that description that the Bulls could have acquired? Thanks in advance.

There was at least a dozen players that could fill that void. Perhaps they weren't great in their role at that moment. But add them next to MJ and they become better immediately.

Pippen wasn't an anomaly or super special you know.

You could transplant him with Ariza and he may have similar results. That is if Ariza is wiling to become MJ's bitch like Pip did. Naturally, some players won't like to be sent home crying and will probably quit, so I'll give Pippen that much credit. Perhaps a player like Steve Smith won't be willing to deal with MJ and he leaves. But who knows.

[Roundball_Rock]

There was at least a dozen players that could fill that void.

Name them...

You could transplant him with Ariza and he may have similar results.

This, ladies and gentleman, is why they are called mythologists. So MJ was going to win numerous rings with Trevor Ariza (not a 90's player). GOAT gonna GOAT!!!!



Where was MJ when Orlando Woolridge was putting up 23 ppg at the SF position?

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Scottie whining cause he can't do it without Michael. Then when Mike comes back, he shuts up.

[andgar923]

Name them...



This, ladies and gentleman, is why they are called mythologists. So MJ was going to win numerous rings with Trevor Ariza (not a 90's player). GOAT gonna GOAT!!!!



Where was MJ when Orlando Woolridge was putting up 23 ppg at the SF position?

did I say he was gonna win the same? No I said "may have similar results". He had the same tools that Pip did, mentally stronger tho. Would he be a better defender playing with MJ? no doubt.

Wooridlge?

You mean that crack head that played with MJ for only 2 seasons while he was young?

[andgar923]

I think Pip's greatest attribute was being a bitch.

Honestly.

If he had any balls and stood up for himself he would've left the Bulls early on due to MJ's abuse. But he stayed around and leaned on Grant's shoulder to help him get by.

So he deesrves that much credit.

[Roundball_Rock]

Scottie whining cause he can't do it without Michael. Then when Mike comes back, he shuts up.

Pippen kept "whining" about his contract for the remainder of his time in Chicago.

did I say he was gonna win the same? No I said "may have similar results". He had the same tools that Pip did, mentally stronger tho. Would he be a better defender playing with MJ? no doubt.

That is still a ridiculous statement. "Similar results" to 6 rings and three all-time great teams with Trevor Ariza.

The fact is there was only one 90's SF who could have filled Pippen's shoes and produced similar results: Grant Hill--and even he was not nearly the defender that Pippen was, which would means 1996-1998 MJ would not be able to conserve his energy on defense like he did. The other problem with Hill is he was not even in the NBA until 1995--and there is no way the Bulls were ever going to get him via the draft or a trade. Even if they magically did that would mean no first three-peat.

The only 90's SF who I can think of who could play the point forward role, defend and have been around for the entire 1991-1998 period is Anthony Mason--and Mason was not anywhere close to Pippen as a scorer. Mason was simply not of Pippen's caliber. Mason was a 1x all-star (in 2001), 1x all-NBA (third) and was a reserve player for his first six seasons (1990-1995). MJ was going to win rings with Charles Smith's backup?

If you remove Pippen from the Bulls you would have had to overhaul the roster. Without Pippen there you would need someone to serve as the primary ballhandler/playmaker. Since there weren't exactly a plethora of SF's who could do that in the 90's that would mean you would need a PG--a real PG--remember the Bulls started two SG's from 1996-1998. Kukoc could have filled some of the void since he was a point forward, but Kukoc did not have the stamina to play extended minutes like Pippen could. So someone would be needed when Kukoc was resting. Moreover, Kukoc was a bad defender. Without Pippen the Bulls would have needed someone else to pick up the defensive slack.

The bottom line is to "replace" Pippen would require several players to fulfill his functions. Pippen was a favorite of GM's and coaches because he was an easy player to build around since he could score, defend, serve as the primary ballhandler/playmaker and had the versatility to defend or play 4 positions. All in one package.

MJ himself knew better than anyone that Pippen was irreplaceable in the real world.

[97 bulls]

There was at least a dozen players that could fill that void. Perhaps they weren't great in their role at that moment. But add them next to MJ and they become better immediately.

Pippen wasn't an anomaly or super special you know.

You could transplant him with Ariza and he may have similar results. That is if Ariza is wiling to become MJ's bitch like Pip did. Naturally, some players won't like to be sent home crying and will probably quit, so I'll give Pippen that much credit. Perhaps a player like Steve Smith won't be willing to deal with MJ and he leaves. But who knows.

I read posts like these and it just confirms where the root of trolling came from. Jordan fans. They created the Kobe stans, who created the LeBron stans.