2014 Edition of ISH's All-Time List: #13

[Marchesk]

West

[ArbitraryWater]

I love Dirk, and think he's a fabulous player, but I have no clue why people rank him higher than Doc or West or KG.

He's more in the 3rd or 4th tier in my opinion, which is no slight to him... puts him around the 20-25 mark. Hardly anything to be dissatisfied about.

20-25?

I think his total impact very much equals a Jerry West or Moses Malone... I don't see why he should be that low...

[Fudge]

Lol @ Dirk being ahead of Moses.

[kshutts1]

20-25?

I think his total impact very much equals a Jerry West or Moses Malone... I don't see why he should be that low...

I never watched West or Moses, so just going on what I've heard/read...

But West was considered one of the premier defensive guards in the league for the entirety of his career. He was also one of the better scorers and passers, and supremely clutch.

Dirk is known as a scorer and clutch scorer, and a decent defensive player and solid rebounder. Just looking at that, I fail to see how he stacks up against West.

As for Moses Malone he, too, is in my 3rd/4th area, ranked very similarly to Dirk.

[K Xerxes]

Not sure why Dirk is being ranked so highly. I can see why he'd be top 20 to some people (he's not personally in mine), but at 13th?!

Anyway I'll go with Moses for this one. I think Oscar, Moses, West, Baylor and Erving are all in the same sort of tier here.

[ArbitraryWater]

I have Dirk 11... Can make arguments for him over Moses/West/Oscar

[navy]

Not sure why Dirk is being ranked so highly. I can see why he'd be top 20 to some people (he's not personally in mine), but at 13th?!

Anyway I'll go with Moses for this one. I think Oscar, Moses, West, Baylor and Erving are all in the same sort of tier here.

Good tier.

I dont think Dirk is better than David Robinson for that matter.

[IncarceratedBob]

Erving

[K Xerxes]

Good tier.

I dont think Dirk is better than David Robinson for that matter.

Me neither.

For the record, the next tier in would be: K Malone, Barkley, KG, Robinson.

That rounds off my top 20. All reasonable selections above Dirk IMO.

[navy]

Me neither.

For the record, the next tier in would be: K Malone, Barkley, KG, Robinson.

That rounds off my top 20. All reasonable selections above Dirk IMO.

I think it would be fair to include Dirk in this tier actually. None of these guys accomplished much more than Dirk or were that much better if at all.

[WillC]

Jerry West

[kshutts1]

I think it would be fair to include Dirk in this tier actually. None of these guys accomplished much more than Dirk or were that much better.

Disagree with that. Barkley and KG were most definitely better than Dirk. Dirk is more than a one-trick pony, for sure, but his skillset is not as varied as that of Barkley or KG, and both of those players enjoyed immense success and periods of absolute domination.

Not to mention Dirk's best weapon, his scoring, is fabulous... yet KG and Barkley score nearly as much while being better play-makers and, in KG's case, infinitely better defenders.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Moses Malone


side-note: Bird should be listed as SF/PF, since he spent like half of his career at PF, and was even more of a (terrific all-around) stretch 4.

[K Xerxes]

I think it would be fair to include Dirk in this tier actually. None of these guys accomplished much more than Dirk or were that much better.

I agree with you that Dirk has accomplished what these guys have (and maybe even more), but I disagree that they weren't better. To me, all of them were noticably better than Dirk in their heyday. Robinson and KG were flat out better overall two way players. Barkley wasn't that great defensively like Dirk, but his offense was on another level IMO. Dirk's prime/peak level is probably closest to Malone's, but Karl's longevity is obviously something virtually unparalleled in history.

[Mass Debator]

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