Cuban's Trade for Chandler confirms mistake of not re-signing him in 2011

[DMAVS41]

Let's not forget the Mavs only traded for Odom, because they decided to let Chandler go. It's not like they needed another big. Chandler would've been 100x better for them than Odom in 2011-12 and the following seasons to come. Odom was making what 10 mill? For another 5 mill they could've retained Chandler and perhaps be sitting on another championship ring or two. Mavs front office cheapened out, and you know it.

Sigh...you don't get it again.

Odom was on a 1 year deal for 8 million. Chandler wanted 60 million over 4 years.

Are you new to the NBA? We offered Chandler a 21 million dollar deal in 12 to stay and he turned it down.

So, uhhhh, no...we couldn't have kept Chandler at the price you listed.

No sir...what you don't know is clearly the entire story. And I'd like to know on what ****ing planet the 13 Mavs are winning the title with an injured Dirk and Chandler averaging 6/8/1.

This is what is so ****ing stupid about fans. You just pick a narrative and never change from it ever...even if you are just proven wrong.

What more do you need? Tyson Chandler on the Knicks in the playoffs;

6/8/1 55% TS

You really still harping on Cuban for not paying that ****ing guy 60 plus million for 4 years in this CBA???????

[DMAVS41]

And you act like there was a considerable gap in the playoffs between Terry's scoring and Chandler's defensive prowess. Chandler could be debated to be the 2nd best player behind Dirk just based on defensive impact alone.

During the offseason, Terry could have been traded to Golden State for Ellis. All it would've took was Terry + 1st round pick the Mavs sent to the Lakers for Odom. Golden State was fielding offers for Ellis ever since they learned of Curry's potential.

You don't keep an aging bench scorer over your defensive starting Center anchor. Those bench scorers are a dime a dozen in this league. Chandler's rim protection ability was and still is a very rare commodity in the NBA today. That was the Mavs mistake. Not knowing what their priorities were. And as a result, Dirk's legacy amongst the top 10 is now in question. He would've been in talks right there with Hakeem. All he needed was another ring with a subpar cast.

Dude. You don't bring back Chandler and then trade Terry. That isn't realistic at all. That is not even fantasy basketball level...it's in your wildest dreams type shit do you trade Terry and his expiring contract before 2012 while you commit to making another run at the title.

Makes no sense.

I don't know what else to tell you.


Sigh...and we didn't keep Terry over Chandler. We didn't want to sign any of our older players to long contracts in this CBA. Which makes perfect sense. Take a look at how everyone has done away from the Mavs.

Barea - after thought...trade bait garbage
Stevenson - out of league
Kidd - horrid and out of league
Terry - horrid and should be out of league
Chandler - horrid overall since leaving the mavs. had a good regular season in 12, but was dreadful in the playoffs (when the games actually matter) and injured as usual
Butler - terrible...clippers paid him 8 million a year for 3 years and started to regret it after 1 day
Haywood - irrelevant and out of league
Peja - out of league

Dude. Just accept that our team greatly overachieved and got absurdly hot during the playoffs. We were a 20 to 1 shot to win the title in 11 and would have had even less a chance going forward. It's just the truth.

[RoTM]

And you act like there was a considerable gap in the playoffs between Terry's scoring and Chandler's defensive prowess. Chandler could be debated to be the 2nd best player behind Dirk just based on defensive impact alone.

During the offseason, Terry could have been traded to Golden State for Ellis. All it would've took was Terry + 1st round pick the Mavs sent to the Lakers for Odom. Golden State was fielding offers for Ellis ever since they learned of Curry's potential.

You don't keep an aging bench scorer over your defensive starting Center anchor. Those bench scorers are a dime a dozen in this league. Chandler's rim protection ability was and still is a very rare commodity in the NBA today. That was the Mavs mistake. Not knowing what their priorities were. And as a result, Dirk's legacy amongst the top 10 is now in question. He would've been in talks right there with Hakeem. All he needed was another ring with a subpar cast.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down OJ Mayo for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

[DMAVS41]

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down Monta Ellis for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

Don't bother with that side of it. He can't comprehend the basics.

What he doesn't get is that in real time you don't know that you will miss out on Howard and Paul like we did.

It's sign Chandler and have no chance to win for 3 years at least and mortgage the future a bit...or piece together the best team possible in 12 and have a ton of flexiblity/chances to land a superstar over the next 3 years.

I wish we had a parallel universe in which we kept Chandler. It would be so funny to see the dumbass fans here bitcing about us not keeping him...they'd be the first ones bitching about how we never should have signed him to so mcuh and how we can't win other old kidd, old terry, old dirk, old marion...etc.

[Johnny Jones]

How many people actually read DMAVS massive walls of text?

[gasolina]

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seriously, keeping chandler, plus hypothetical trades...

Might as well say the Mavs keep chandler, miss the '12 playoffs, inexplicable win the lottery in 2013, drafts a healthy bennett who averages 25-10-5 in the finals.

[kentatm]

Cuban's Trade for Chandler confirms mistake of not re-signing him in 2011

Straight up false

Mavs traded to get Chandler back b/c he is on a big fat expiring contract (just like when they got him the first time)

The mistake was not realizing Lamar Odom was going to completely fall off the face of the earth with mental issues.

Nobody saw that coming.

[DMAVS41]

Straight up false

Mavs traded to get Chandler back b/c he is on a big fat expiring contract (just like when they got him the first time)

The mistake was not realizing Lamar Odom was going to completely fall off the face of the earth with mental issues.

Nobody saw that coming.

Exactly to the bold.

If, as fans, we need to hate on Cuban/Nellie...then at least do it for that. I personally loved the Odom move so it's hard for me to say anything, but they were in a far better position to do their due diligence and it kind of sounds like they didn't.

But regardless, that was the move that killed us in 12. We actually had a really solid team in 12 by the time in the playoffs (our offense took a long time to work)...

Carter and West were playing well at the end of the season and Mahinmi/Haywood/Wright do a really good job making up for Chandler being gone. You throw in another 8 to 10 million dollar a year player with his head on straight...and that team has 11 type potential without mortgaging the future for Chandler.

[kentatm]

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But regardless, that was the move that killed us in 12. We actually had a really solid team in 12 by the time in the playoffs (our offense took a long time to work)...

Carter and West were playing well at the end of the season and Mahinmi/Haywood/Wright do a really good job making up for Chandler being gone. You throw in another 8 to 10 million dollar a year player with his head on straight...and that team has 11 type potential without mortgaging the future for Chandler.

I dont think most people realize the Mavs D was actually better in 12 than 11.

Odom being a massive void all year screwed that team. Literally any other player that simply gave a shit on the roster would have been an improvement b/c he was that big of a suck on the locker room.

Hell, the Mavs probably would have kept Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer had they known Odom was about to blow a mental fuse.

That alone would have made a huge positive impact on the team.

[DMAVS41]

I dont think most people realize the Mavs D was actually better in 12 than 11.

Odom being a massive void all year screwed that team. Literally anyone else on the roster would have been an improvement b/c he was that big of a suck on the locker room.

Hell, the Mavs probably would have kept Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer had they known Odom was about to blow a mental fuse.

That alone would have made a huge positive impact on the team.

So true. It was our offense...which I knew was dreadful most of the year, but damn...I just looked and it was the 22nd ranked offense. Ugh...

[BallsOut]

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down OJ Mayo for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.

[BallsOut]

It's sign Chandler and have no chance to win for 3 years at least and mortgage the future a bit...or piece together the best team possible in 12 and have a ton of flexiblity/chances to land a superstar over the next 3 years.

They won the title in 2011 with Chandler. Get that through your thick skull. They would have just as good of a chance in 2012. I'll concede 2013 due to injuries to both Dirk and Chandler. But 2014 they would have another great shot, assuming Terry was gone by then and Ellis's arrival.

It's funny you mention mortgaging the future when the Mavs haven't done shit since letting Chandler go in 2011. 1st round exits/missing playoffs every season since. What future? Future of mediocrity

[kentatm]

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.

I guess Shawn Marion wasn't notable?

Getting Vince and Monta for a reduced price b/c they liked the culture in Dallas was nothing?

Being able to resign Dirk twice isn't an accomplishment?

[DMAVS41]

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.

Not really a fraction of the cost. And Howard is literally twice as good as chandler....

[kentatm]

They won the title in 2011 with Chandler. Get that through your thick skull. They would have just as good of a chance in 2012. I'll concede 2013 due to injuries to both Dirk and Chandler. But 2014 they would have another great shot, assuming Terry was gone by then and Ellis's arrival.

It's funny you mention mortgaging the future when the Mavs haven't done shit since letting Chandler go in 2011. 1st round exits/missing playoffs every season since. What future? Future of mediocrity

once again, the Mavs defense was better in '12 than it was in '11.

Losing Chandler was NOT what brought that team down.

If you can't understand this you need to go back to basketball school.