Tim Duncan vs Shaq vs Hakeem - Who is ranked higher all time?

[Duncan21formvp]

Tim Duncan vs Shaq vs Hakeem - Who is ranked higher all time?

[1987_Lakers]

Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

[moe94]

Duncan
Shaq
Dream

[JohnFreeman]

duncan
shaq
hakeem

[Legends66NBA7]

Theodore
Rashaun
Abdul

[Smook A.]

Tim Duncan is 1st because of his success, longevity and consistency to play great/good every year

Then it's Shaq. He's before Timmy because he has less rings and towards the end of his career he started to suck. That kinda hurt his place in the all-time list.

And finally, its Hakeem. He's there because he doesn't have as many career accomplishments as Shaq & Duncan.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem

Who I'd take starting a team:

Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan

[noob cake]

Career; Duncan > Shaq > Hakeem

As player; Shaq >= Hakeem >> Duncan

[Rooster]

Prime

Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan

Career

Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

[Orlando Magic]

Prime

Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan

Career

Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

This is the correct response. And I'd start a team in the same order as the prime list.

[winwin]

Hakeem > Duncan > Shaq


+1000 blocks more than shaq with one season less


In The Hakeem Olajuwon vs. Shaquille O'Neal Debate, The Dream Remains Unbeatable
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=250889

[Carbine]

You'd start a team with a guy who would split after 5-7 years, for either clashing with another superstar, ring chasing, wanting to play in the spotlight, etc?

Shaq's an all-time great player, one of the 10 best players, but he doesn't hold up well when the baseline is picking a player to build around.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan

go back to realgm JordansBulls

[LAZERUSS]

Hakeem > Duncan > Shaq


+1000 blocks more than shaq with one season less


In The Hakeem Olajuwon vs. Shaquille O'Neal Debate, The Dream Remains Unbeatable
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=250889

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01


BTW, look at their H2H block averages in the post-season.

Shaq just OWNED Hakeem...INCLUDING the '95 Finals. No other "great" had his teammates more thoroughly dominant their counterparts than Hakeem's did in '95. Hell, Hakeem's teammates badly outshot HIM. Meanwhile, Shaq crushed Hakeem, especially H2H in that series.

And take it from someone who actually took the time to break those H2H's down.

Colts18...

I decided to rewatch the 1995 finals and chart each possession to see to how effective Shaq and Hakeem were on the court. A special shout out to Jordanbulls for providing the video of this series


Total:
Hakeem: 253 touches, 140 doubles (55.3%)
Shaq: 221 touches, 146 doubles (66.1%)

Here are their stats when they were guarded by each other:
Shaq 32-57 (56.1 FG%), 6-8 FT, 67.3 double teamed%, .578 TS%, 17 assists, 1 O-reb allowed to Hakeem
Hakeem: 31-75 (41.3 FG%), 9-13 FT, 60.2 double teamed%, .446 TS%, 8 assists, 3 O-reb allowed to Shaq

Shaq blocked 2 Hakeem shots, Hakeem blocked 0 Shaq shots. Hakeem did make a 3P on Shaq. Hakeem guarded Shaq on 73.3% of the touches he had, while Shaq guarded Hakeem on 69.6% of his touches. Hakeem got a lot more fastbreak touches than Shaq so in the halfcourt, they guarded each other about even.

When they weren't being guarded by each other, Shaq was being guarded by Charles Jones and Hakeem by Horace Grant.

Shaq vs Jones: 7-11 FG (63.6 FG%), 35 doubles in 52 touches (67.3%), 2 assists
Hakeem vs Grant: 13-24 (54.2 FG%), 33 double teams in 58 touches (56.9%), 6 assists

Jump shots:
Hakeem: 27-62 (43.5%)
Shaq: 2-7 (28.6%)

The vast majority of Shaq's shots were close range hooks.

Dunks:
Hakeem: 1 dunk (vs grant)
Shaq: 9 dunks (2 of them were in Hakeem's face)

Fouls drawn on offense:
Shaq: 37 (17 on Hakeem)
Hakeem: 21 (9 on Shaq)

Hakeem did draw 4 Shaq charges.

Shaq was called for 5 travels, Hakeem 2.

Plus/Minus (Houston outscored Orlando by 28 points total):
On court:
Shaq: -12 in 180 minutes
Hakeem: +17 in 179 minutes

Off court:
Shaq: -16 in 16:37 of action (Houston scored 133 points per 48 in the minutes Shaq missed)
Hakeem: +11 in 17:11 of action (134 points per 48 in the minutes he was off the court)

Interestingly enough, in 2 of the games, the Magic outscored the Rockets when Shaq was on the court. The magic were -8 in about 9 minutes of action without Shaq in game (lost by just 2 points). In game 3, they were -4 in the minutes Shaq missed in a game where they lost by 3 points. In game 1, the Rockets outscored the magic by 9 in the minutes Hakeem missed, but they were outscored by a combined 4 points in games 3 and 4 without Hakeem.

Observations:
-Orlando was for some reason really committed to doubling Hakeem in game 1. They were throwing a lot of hard doubles. Hakeem had 5 assists in that game, all of them 3 pointers, 4 came off of doubles (one was a triple team). I'm guessing it was a response to Hakeem's series vs Robinson. For the rest of the series, Orlando didn't double Hakeem as much and they threw softer doubles.

-Hakeem made like 5 or 6 baskets in transition to Shaq's 1 or so. So while Shaq didn't get credit for giving up those buckets since he didn't guard, a few of those times Shaq was slow in transition. Shaq got about 3 or shots

-One of the commentators compared Horry to Scottie Pippen and Walton took the comment seriously. They are vastly different players IMO

-I'm not sure why Penny wasn't more aggressive. Kenny Smith couldn't guard him at all. When Penny did drive to the basket, he made a few shots over Hakeem.

-Drexler was the man in this series. He really wanted to get his first title badly. For some reason, people rarely talk about him despite him getting more WS than Hakeem in that playoff run

-It's fashionable these days to **** on Hakeem's cast in 94, but this cast was much better than that one. The guards outplayed Orlando's guards. Horry played really well. The 3P shooters benefited a lot from the shortened 3P line.

-Contrary to popular belief, handchecking wasn't allowed in 95. The refs called like 2 handchecking fouls in this series

-I'm so thankful the NBA got rid of the illegal defense. The refs called like 5 of them in each game. It destroyed the flow of the game and limited the ways you could double team a player.

Oh, and while the Hakeem-lovers will gladly point out the '95 Finals (against a 22 year old Shaq), they will NEVER bring up their '99 playoff series, when a prime Shaq just destroyed a helpless Hakeem.

[unbreakable]

Hakeem one of the most overrated players ever... won chips only when MJ retired and already the most watered down league in nba history..

hakeem also missed the playoffs a couple times and not a good man2man defender despite how many blocks he had on little guys, he would routinely get lit up by opposing powerforwards

TIMMY > SHAQ >>>>>>> DREAM