Why do people fail to realize that Manu Ginobili is Italian, not Argentinan?

[NumberSix]

I only read the first post and nothing else....but that's a stupid claim. Are we to call all the Americans in New York of strong Italian roots....Italian? Nationality =/= ethnicity.

Americans don't really understand ethnicity because there isn't any. America is a mish-mash of people from all over the place. Even most white people have no idea what ethnicity they would be because they are mixes of many different European ethnicities. Ask the average white American what countries their ancestors are from, they'll either name 8 different countries or just the 1 country their dad's last name originates from.

[Inactive]

Let's go back a mere 5 generations. YOU are a direct descendant of all 32 of your great great great grandparents. Even if they are all different ethnicities. Why would you single out 1 contributor that is 1/32 of you when the other 31/32 of you isn't? Yes, you are a direct descendant of that 1 person, but that 1 person is a very small contributor.

Like I said, for an individual it doesn't necessarily matter. But if you're Spanish, and your ancestors for those 5 generations come from Spain, then ~9.6/32 (in the case of females, their fathers) likely have those Y chromosomes.

Spain was ethnically cleansed of most of its North Africans at least 20-30 generations ago. Were talking about literally 1.5-3.5 million contributors over that period of time.

Then they didn't do a very good job of ethnically cleansing them, because the males obviously reproduced quite a bit.

[NumberSix]

Like I said, for an individual it doesn't necessarily matter. But if you're Spanish, and your ancestors for those 5 generations come from Spain, then ~9.6/32 (in the case of females, their fathers) likely have those Y chromosomes.

Then they didn't do a very good job of ethnically cleansing them, because the males obviously reproduced quite a bit.

They're DNA is also 3% Neanderthal. It's safe to say they're all gone. Small remnants of genetic contribution don't just disappear.

Don't forget. It's not just a 1 way street. Any genetic similarity isn't just going from Africa to Spain. The Spanish did their fair share of conquering into North Africa as well.

[masonanddixon]

In some cases, sure. But are you saying that Irish, Scots, Welsh, English, Swedes, Norwegians, Germans, etc. with black hair and brown eyes all got this because of proximity to Africa?

Get serious.

No I am using the fact Sicilians share genetic similarities with Sub-Saharan Africans whereas Northern Italians do not.

[NumberSix]

No I am using the fact Sicilians share genetic similarities with Sub-Saharan Africans whereas Northern Italians do not.

I actually don't know much of Italian genealogy, so it's possible that it is true. From what I do know about greek genealogy though, it wouldn't make much of any sense that Italy would have subsaharan contributions while neighbouring countries don't.

[B-hoop]

For an individual, it doesn't necessarily mean much. But if a large fraction of the population of a country has Y chromosomes from another region, then a large fraction of the male ancestors of the people who reside in that country must have come from that other region.

That's a valid distinction.

However, it's not that 30% of Spaniards have some North African genetics. Virtually all Spaniards probably have some. It's that 30% are directly descended from North Africans and SW Asians. That's what B-hoop was arguing that the study suggested, and he was right.

Finally someone who understands written english

Btw, still waiting on that link NumberSix, though i probably should forget it since you are talking out of your ass.

[TrueRob]

In all honesty, African countries SHOULD be the richest countries in the world. They have all the natural resources they could ever want and never did shit with them. They honestly should have been at 1900s Europe's level 140,000 years ago.

Africa has a lot of natural resources, but most African countries are in the tropics which is a huge handicap when it comes to agriculture, especially the main staple food crops (wheat,rice,corn). It's no coincidence that the majority of "3rd World Countries" are in the tropics while most of the rich countries are in the temperate zones. The richest countries usually have land that gives the best agricultural yields for food crops.

Here's a couple of links to some articles that provide more info on poverty in the tropics, etc.

http://houstonhs.scsk12.org/~mrobins...d%20Wealth.pdf

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...r-poor/?page=2